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	<title>Comments on: Tesla Model S: $50,000 Electric Car that Seats Seven</title>
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		<title>By: James Smith  João Pessoa, Brazil</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4772</link>
		<dc:creator>James Smith  João Pessoa, Brazil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are seeing a lot of proposals about pollution, global warming, fossil fuels, and alternative energy sources.  I think they are all missing the point.   The Tesla, as much as I admire it and wish them well, doesn&#039;t even begin to address the real problem.  That problem is too many people on the planet using too much energy. The most basic law of physics is the law of conservation of energy.  All energy, from whatever source, eventually becomes heat.

If you create electricity from hydroelectric plants, cleaner even than nuclear plants, making the electricity creates heat. Turning the turbines creates heat, running the generators creates heat. Transmitting the electricity through wires creates heat from the electrical resistance. Using the electricity creates heat. For that matter, building the dams, turbines, and generators all create heat and often other environmental pollutants.

It&#039;s an unavoidable law of nature. All energy creation and use makes heat. Reduce the number of people on the planet by maybe 1/2 and most environmental problems are solved.

Wind energy? The bird kill problem would be solved by a different design for windmills. Vertical axis designs have been demonstrated that are more efficient, do not kill birds, and are cheaper to make. Even so, when you build them and their necessary generators and electronics, you create heat and other pollutants.

So the real problem is heat pollution, yes, there is accompanying problems of CO2 emissions, particulate pollution and all of the others. Each of those is possible to solve. But the heat pollution will remain and will continue to get worse until the world population is substantially reduced .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are seeing a lot of proposals about pollution, global warming, fossil fuels, and alternative energy sources.  I think they are all missing the point.   The Tesla, as much as I admire it and wish them well, doesn&#8217;t even begin to address the real problem.  That problem is too many people on the planet using too much energy. The most basic law of physics is the law of conservation of energy.  All energy, from whatever source, eventually becomes heat.</p>
<p>If you create electricity from hydroelectric plants, cleaner even than nuclear plants, making the electricity creates heat. Turning the turbines creates heat, running the generators creates heat. Transmitting the electricity through wires creates heat from the electrical resistance. Using the electricity creates heat. For that matter, building the dams, turbines, and generators all create heat and often other environmental pollutants.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unavoidable law of nature. All energy creation and use makes heat. Reduce the number of people on the planet by maybe 1/2 and most environmental problems are solved.</p>
<p>Wind energy? The bird kill problem would be solved by a different design for windmills. Vertical axis designs have been demonstrated that are more efficient, do not kill birds, and are cheaper to make. Even so, when you build them and their necessary generators and electronics, you create heat and other pollutants.</p>
<p>So the real problem is heat pollution, yes, there is accompanying problems of CO2 emissions, particulate pollution and all of the others. Each of those is possible to solve. But the heat pollution will remain and will continue to get worse until the world population is substantially reduced .</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4668</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That looks like a pretty good car but my Question is does it really seat 7 people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That looks like a pretty good car but my Question is does it really seat 7 people?</p>
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		<title>By: lawrence t</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawrence t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very detailed specifications.   But, I didn&#039;t see on the list that the car had A.C.

Was this an oversight, for 50K I would expect automatic climate control. If you load

seven hot bodies in the car when your in So. Cal. or Az. you absolutely need air conditioning.

And just opening the window will never do !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very detailed specifications.   But, I didn&#8217;t see on the list that the car had A.C.</p>
<p>Was this an oversight, for 50K I would expect automatic climate control. If you load</p>
<p>seven hot bodies in the car when your in So. Cal. or Az. you absolutely need air conditioning.</p>
<p>And just opening the window will never do !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fahad</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4446</link>
		<dc:creator>Fahad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off like everyone else said, electric companies are far more efficient than combustion engines at converting energy. More importantly, this step represents an effort for electric cars to become mainstream. By the time we have a nation of electric cars, we will have power companies using renewable sources of energy such as hydroelectric and solar to represent a few. We may even have fusion in 50 years with some estimates. With these new sources of energy we can make a giant step in cleaning up our world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off like everyone else said, electric companies are far more efficient than combustion engines at converting energy. More importantly, this step represents an effort for electric cars to become mainstream. By the time we have a nation of electric cars, we will have power companies using renewable sources of energy such as hydroelectric and solar to represent a few. We may even have fusion in 50 years with some estimates. With these new sources of energy we can make a giant step in cleaning up our world.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Jones</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4429</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

I am sure many people overlook the impact of power consumption versus gasoline consumption, but the grid is cleaner than the ICE, so at least they are on the right track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>I am sure many people overlook the impact of power consumption versus gasoline consumption, but the grid is cleaner than the ICE, so at least they are on the right track.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4428</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so its great thats its &#039;green&#039; and all... but where do you people think the power coming out of the outlet thats charging the car is coming from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so its great thats its &#8216;green&#8217; and all&#8230; but where do you people think the power coming out of the outlet thats charging the car is coming from?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4426</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lol, I assume you advocate running our society on unicorn farts?  1.Electric is a step in the right direction because it allows any number of electrical generation technologies to power the car.  2.Power plants generally benefit from efficiencies of scale, meaning that electric is better even with today&#039;s generating mix. 3. electric motors behave differently than combustion engines: they have high torque at low RPMs so stop and go driving is much more efficient and the car doesn&#039;t need a complicated transmission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lol, I assume you advocate running our society on unicorn farts?  1.Electric is a step in the right direction because it allows any number of electrical generation technologies to power the car.  2.Power plants generally benefit from efficiencies of scale, meaning that electric is better even with today&#8217;s generating mix. 3. electric motors behave differently than combustion engines: they have high torque at low RPMs so stop and go driving is much more efficient and the car doesn&#8217;t need a complicated transmission.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4368</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... looks exactly like an Aston Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; looks exactly like an Aston Martin</p>
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		<title>By: lol</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4225</link>
		<dc:creator>lol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 19:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice car, I however find it comical how people are being shoved from one polluting energy source to another, just because you don&#039;t have an exaust doesn&#039;t mean the power station didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice car, I however find it comical how people are being shoved from one polluting energy source to another, just because you don&#8217;t have an exaust doesn&#8217;t mean the power station didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Jones</title>
		<link>http://ecomodder.com/blog/tesla-model-50000-electric-car-seats/comment-page-1/#comment-4195</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with you on their generally inflated claims. Hopefully they pull through (and on time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with you on their generally inflated claims. Hopefully they pull through (and on time).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to question this, Tesla have been a little optimistic with their estimates for cars before especially on electricity consumption. However if it does work it will be a step in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to question this, Tesla have been a little optimistic with their estimates for cars before especially on electricity consumption. However if it does work it will be a step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New Automotive Age has arrived! Tesla has done what GM couldn&#039;t do to save it&#039;s soul, and Chrysler couldn&#039;t do to save its company! The world will be a better place for this, even if we have to glaze over the whole of the South Western U.S. A. collecting sun to power the huge numbers that will be sold! Wind Turbines needed, Fast! Tidal electric power - full ahead, we need all the charging time we can get out of the wires day or night! This is the new revolution! Desert real estate with sun just shot up in value, and the windy coasts of our nation have new value. Ballasted by charging batteries, the intermittent nature of these power sources is a negligible problem. We will charge our batteries when peak power is available from the new sources, then use them when we need them! Thank you Tesla for showing &quot;The Big Three&quot; automakers the new way! Perpetual power harnessed in the practical service of man, and no fissionable waste-pile needed! We Win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Automotive Age has arrived! Tesla has done what GM couldn&#8217;t do to save it&#8217;s soul, and Chrysler couldn&#8217;t do to save its company! The world will be a better place for this, even if we have to glaze over the whole of the South Western U.S. A. collecting sun to power the huge numbers that will be sold! Wind Turbines needed, Fast! Tidal electric power &#8211; full ahead, we need all the charging time we can get out of the wires day or night! This is the new revolution! Desert real estate with sun just shot up in value, and the windy coasts of our nation have new value. Ballasted by charging batteries, the intermittent nature of these power sources is a negligible problem. We will charge our batteries when peak power is available from the new sources, then use them when we need them! Thank you Tesla for showing &#8220;The Big Three&#8221; automakers the new way! Perpetual power harnessed in the practical service of man, and no fissionable waste-pile needed! We Win!</p>
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		<title>By: Tesla Motors is an Environmental Fail (and More!) &#124; Hypermiling, Fuel Economy, and EcoModding News - EcoModder.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesla Motors is an Environmental Fail (and More!) &#124; Hypermiling, Fuel Economy, and EcoModding News - EcoModder.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and &#8220;the cure to all our woes.&#8221; With the long awaited release of the Tesla Model S, all sorts of expectations for a quasi-affordable, electric family car came to a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and &#8220;the cure to all our woes.&#8221; With the long awaited release of the Tesla Model S, all sorts of expectations for a quasi-affordable, electric family car came to a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CARCORNER.COM &#187; Post Topic &#187; Unveiling of the Tesla Model S Uncovers New Specs Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>CARCORNER.COM &#187; Post Topic &#187; Unveiling of the Tesla Model S Uncovers New Specs Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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