[PaleMelanesian]

I do somewhat agree about not pushing the "advanced" stuff to Joe.

However, I think shutting off at lights is one of those "low hanging fruit" things, along with tire pressure and instrumentation. When I'm driving the Odyssey, which doesn't like engine-off at speed, it makes a big difference. Me driving similarly both ways, on my normal routes, with red light shutdown being the major difference. I get mid-20's mpg leaving it to idle, and 30+ shutting it down at lights.