Clean Disruption

[sendler]

7.5 Billion people in the world. Headed for 11 for sure. At least. And every one of them wants to get where they are going.. And eat... Can people in spoiled countries please try to wake up and see the big picture past their front porch.

[gone-ot]

Originally Posted by sendler

7.5 Billion people in the world. Headed for 11 for sure. At least. And every one of them wants to get where they are going.. And eat... Can people in spoiled countries please try to wake up and see the big picture past their front porch.

When you're at the front of the 'pack' you seldom worry about those at the rear, the stragglers for a reason: "out of sight, out of mind."

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sendler

7.5 Billion people in the world. Headed for 11 for sure. At least. And every one of them wants to get where they are going.. And eat... Can people in spoiled countries please try to wake up and see the big picture past their front porch.

What exactly are you proposing?

Technology has improved living conditions for the poorest, too. I foresee a future where starvation drops to near zero, and nearly everyone has access to clean water.

In fact, environmental quality has generally improved as time goes on.

Autonomous vehicles stand to benefit the poor the greatest since it vastly reduces transportation cost and time.

Most everyone lives better than kings of 200 years ago.

Finally, the overpopulation "problem" will have the opposite underpopulation problem in the near future. Estimates do show population peaking about 2100, but then declining from there.



Japan already suffers the problem of declining population:



World food supply per capita over the years:



How about the history of world poverty?



That's not to say we shouldn't be concerned for those still suffering, but it's clear that despite a growing population, a larger percentage of people are living better lives.

[JockoT]

Cheap solar energy will lead to more fresh water from desalination. More water leads to more and better agriculture and more food.
The biggest cause of misery in the world is man's inhumanity to man. War is the biggest thing we have to stop. Even areas where people are starving it is war that is the underlying cause.

[sendler]

Pretty much the other way around. Climate change and starvation caused the war in Syria. Inequity of distribution of wealth is also a major cause in most other areas of conflict. Along with strict adherence to age old religions.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sendler

Climate change and starvation caused the war in Syria. Inequity of distribution of wealth is also a major cause in most other areas of conflict. Along with strict adherence to age old religions.

I ask again, what are you proposing?

The bloodiest war in US history was the result of states rights vs human rights.

WWI and WWII were the result of fascism.

The Syrian war is the result of the Arab Spring, and the resulting violent opposition by al-Assad. That is a political climate change, but has nothing to do with a change in weather.

Wealth isn't much dependant on weather anyhow. Rather, free commerce in a relatively uncorrupt political environment is the most important factor in creating wealth.

[JockoT]

Religion caused the war in Syria. Alawites against Sunni. Prior to 2001 Syria was a rich oil producing nation. Then came the civil war, which in turn let in ISIS. As for Climate Change, Syria is mainly an arid plateau, dry and hot. It always has been. Climate change has made no difference. Not since before the Pharaohs.

[sendler]

"A severe drought, worsened by a warming climate, drove Syrian farmers to abandon their crops and flock to cities, helping trigger a civil war".
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Climate Change Helped Spark Syrian War, Study Says
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Starving masses went to their president. "Give us food." He answered "I never liked you anyway, hurry up and die". Syrian war.
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Most other current conflicts/ terrorism are over religion/ jealousy-redistribution of wealth.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sendler

Starving masses went to their president. "Give us food." He answered "I never liked you anyway, hurry up and die". Syrian war.
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Most other current conflicts/ terrorism are over religion/ jealousy-redistribution of wealth.

Are there other wars that some scientists partially attribute to climate change?

The researcher himself goes on to say

All someone would have to say to criticize it is that all this would have occurred without the drought," Seager says. "That may well be true. This regime was tremendously unpopular to begin with.

The drought was at least partially naturally occurring, he says, but it was the most severe on record, and its severity matched trends expected to occur with rising temperatures.

Still, he understands the limits of the research.

The authors acknowledge that many factors led to Syria's uprising, including corrupt leadership, inequality, massive population growth, and the government's inability to curb human suffering.

Droughts don't cause war; only people cause war.

[freebeard]

Droughts don't cause war; only people cause war.

The Origins and Diffusion of Patrism in Saharasia, c.4000 BCE: Evidence for a Worldwide, Climate-Linked Geographical Pattern in Human Behavior*
by James DeMeo, Ph.D.**

Prior to Saharasia there wasn't any war.

Also according to the Electric Universe theory, Solar and cosmic radiation affect human health, mental well-being and even cognition.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

WWI and WWII were the result of fascism.

Fascism was the result of WWI*, but WWII was a battle between the fascist and the Bolshevists. The commies won. But they were stopped** before they rolled all the way to the Atlantic.

Edit:
*and the Treaty of Versailles
**by Churchill and FDR (then FDR was poisoned and Truman dropped The Bomb)