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Old 10-19-2010, 12:40 AM   #81 (permalink)
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2nd pic no workie...

but this looks cool as heck:



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Old 10-19-2010, 08:01 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Was a malfuction here is the ohter if it will load. Ok the file was to large. I used a Suzuki TL1300 fuel injection set up and master minded the parts to get it the way I wanted it. I have changed it some with the addition of the injector, regulator and brackets. I will post a pic at some point if anyone is interested. Sorry for getting off topic.
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:22 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Yeah, think it's off the topic of this thread, and well deserving of its own.

Fixing an old car is recycling, and a hell of a lot 'greener' than plunking down $$$ on one of those 'rolling strip mine' hybrids.

Looking forward to a build thread...

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:14 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Speaking of scams and unicorns...

This thing still exists so why not run it in front of credible testers and/or a sanctioned econo event?

It should have low miles and be easily prepped...
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According to this article
Mileage Miracles - Shell Fiat
*Ben Visser, a Shell research group employee, drove it. Doesn't say who built it. One pic shows "Martin, Visser, and *******" on the fender.
*It ran a 14 mile course along River Road, Wood River, Ill. Don't know if it was all downhill? Paved? Google maps doesn't show any River Road today.
*Top was chopped, but so what? Contemporary pics show no glass in it.
*Article says bicycle chain drive; pics clearly show heavier chain, so article isn't gospel.
*Article says aircraft tires @ 200 psi; another source said 150.
*Pulse from near stop to 13-14mph; average 9 mph.
*There's a pic of Ed Brown winning the motorcycle division. With a loaded sidecar. On a dirt road.

*This page Shell Mileage Marathons - Shell Fiat does not jive with the article. One begins to wonder if an accurate account exists at all.

*From 1981 Texas newspaper(?) http://www.59fiattestcar.com/vehiclesofinterest.htm:
*Visser is a Sr. Research Engineer in the fuels performance section.
*Cars built by Shell development employees on their own time.
*This time P&G is from 3 to 12 mph- done by ear since speedo cost 10 mpg.
*In '81 optimal fe for stock cars was at 30-40 mph. 55 vs 70 mph was 20-25% better fe.
*14 ply a/c tires, tread ground off, 200 psi front, 300 rear.
*Visser says car owners should run sidewall max, at that time 32-35 psi.
*Ran straight coolant at 280 deg., intake 240 deg.
*Stoich 14.2-14.5:1 depends on fuel; fe increases up to 10% leaner than stoich then drops off... but it's "more art than science".
*CR was 9 or 10:1 :/
*Says it has a scooter carb, but it looks like a mower carb to me.
*Higher CR > low; long stroke > short; tall gears > short... until engine strains too much.
*The Opel weighs 2400 lbs... I don't think so.
*Now it has a windshield Hmmm.
*Deposits in the intake improve fe.
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The Fiat has an old B&S carb!
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I seem to remember readimg that the engine ran so hot that the oil vapors were burned and inflated the mpg numbers. Besides, there is no aero drag at 9 mph.
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I agree

Put that thing to the test legal or not!

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