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Old 01-18-2012, 05:10 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I just discovered I can use the Bridgestone 381 with the really low crr on the trailer.

The only BRIDGESTONE 381 I'm seeing is LRR, but of passenger car spec and a load rating of under 1,200-lbs each. The suggested weight is indicating a tire capable of in of 3,000-lbs tire (tridem) or 4,000-lbs tire (tandem) with a real world tire (and wheel) capable of greater reserve capacity than this.

Did you happen to mean the same makers 16" 3,042-lb LR-E Duravis R250?



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Old 01-18-2012, 05:16 PM   #42 (permalink)
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the rough figures for axle weight is around 1800 per axle loaded. 3600 on the axles and 1200 on the pin for a max of 4800.
Those 1200 pound tires are indeed the ones I am talking about.
Perhaps I was not clear, the weight I posted was truck and trailer combined.
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:39 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Thanks for the clarification, you really had me thrown!

Edit: I'd still be cautious about sidewall stiffness, and would prefer that over straight LRR "benefit". The 15" LR-C YOKOHAMA RY-215's I ran on my trailer fit both criterion I felt. Even bringing them down 10-psi (but no more) they'd be quite a bit stiffer with better transient response.
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:34 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Maybe a 68% drag reduction

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I'm about settled down on dimensions again ( ).
This will have a frontal area of 53 sq. ft., and will follow the aft template faithfully till about the first 22 degree point. The sides will taper in a couple of small angle changes.
The rocker angle aft of the wheels needs to be a little steeper than ideal at 4.6 degrees.
The area at the back will be ~17 sq. ft.

What kind of Cd should I expect out of that, considering it will be faired smooth and tight to the tow rig and have above average fairness in general?
I spent some time with Hucho's chapter on 'Commercial vehicles'.In his 2nd Edition,page 332,Figure 8.63,'Influence of bus rear-end design on air drag',in the far right is a depiction of a boat tail and it's Cd reduction.
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*The bus has a Cd 0.341 with no tail at all.
*With the #2 configuration,the section behind the rear wheels of the bus is sloped down and in @ 5-degrees leading to Cd 0.274.
*With the #4 configuration,the boat tail is extended out to 41.7% of the 'Template' aft-body length,yielding Cd 0.218.
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The boat tail depicted in Fig. 8.63 indicates a 5-degree slope,but it is drawn with a 14.5-degree slope.
I redrew the bus @ 5-degrees and evaluated the cross-sectional area at the rear truncations using the frontal area of the 'Front Roof and Vertical Edges Rounded' bus.
*At position #2 the frontal area is reduced 18.1%/drag is reduced 19.64%
*At position #4 the frontal area is reduced 39.2%/drag is reduced 36%
*For the 1st 41.7% of aft-body,each 10% reduction in cross-section yields a 10.05% drag reduction.
*If this relationship held,then if the tail was extended back to 70%,as has been recommended with the 'Aerodynamic Streamlining Template',the the drag coefficient would fall to Cd 0.13.
*If wheel drag is removed,@ Cd 0.041,this leaves a ground-proximity Cd 0.09 for the boat-tailed bus body, which is in close agreement with the
'Template.'
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Using this relationship as a 'loose' rule-of-thumb,then we might guestimate that if you start at 53 sq ft of fully attached frontal projected area,and then streamline the body,separation-free,down to a body truncation of only 17 sq ft at the rear,the 32% of remaining base area equates to a 67.9% reduction in area.
At 10.5%/10,the drag would be reduced 68.23%.
At a steady 55 mph (88.5 km/h) you might see a 34% mpg increase,minus any penalty for added weight/R-R if applicable.
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Oh man, I love it when you talk dirty like that
I have to get certain things done first, Like the truck and a bit of home remodel. I will put pencil to paper and get it out there to look at.
I am getting more truck done with the assistance of a retired finish carpenter.
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Your coefficient drops 68% and your frontal area increases how much? Still, Adding a trailer and coming out par is pretty amazing.
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Your coefficient drops 68% and your frontal area increases how much? Still, Adding a trailer and coming out par is pretty amazing.
I think Phil was talking about the reduction that the template makes on a given frontal area, not in comparison to the truck without trailer.
The truck is ~34.5 ft and 0.44 cd, Cda of 15.18.
The trailer is at ~53 ft.
To get to an equal Cda, The assembly would have to get to a cd of 0.286.
The bulk of the truck's cd issues are the square back of cab and then tailgate.


I suspect that I will get a cd considerably lower than 0.286 with a little modeling help


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