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Old 07-21-2008, 06:17 PM   #101 (permalink)
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It fits in a standard parking space. I didn't experiment with different boattail lengths. I used the tailcone of a Questair Venture kitplane (a 350mph airplane nicknamed "the flying egg" for its short fuselage) as a pattern in designing my boattail and just sized a pattern for the Venture's tailcone to fit the back of my car. I have a small air inlet slit at the top of the nosepiece that feeds air to the radiator. The only time I have ever had any overheating problems was when driving 75+mph on a 95F day. No problems in normal driving, even when climbing up US25 into the NC mountains. One of the things on my list is to install a manually operated radiator door in the front of the nosepiece.

View of the front and the air inlet slot (at the front of the hood on the passenger's side).
Hi Mike,there's a rumor that big oil is beginning to turn their drilling rigs upside-down and drill upwards.They've discovered that there's more oil to drill from the sky than there is left underground.And they showed a picture of an aerial oil "pool",and it looked suspiciously like your HONDA.Maybe they're finally catching on.So keep that"gusher" under a close eye,so she don't go a missing!

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Old 07-22-2008, 05:21 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Hopefully that means that eventually we'll be able to buy new ultra-low cd cars rather than having to improve an existing vehicle's sub-par aerodynamics. I have high hopes that the Aptera might be that vehicle. Then again, from its photos, I can see a few areas that could be improved on the Aptera.
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:54 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Yeah,know what you mean,but if a car like that got out in big numbers,it would really be a coup! Think of aero-modding something that got a couple hundred mpg to begin with! I have family on the West Coast and hope to "run across" an Aptera next time I'm out there visiting.Your CIVIC,I think may be one of those watershed vehicles,which really connects the dots for people who can't quite fathom the relationship between shape and performance.Everyone I show it to is really amazed! I think the impact of what you've accomplished will continue to resonate for years to come.Thanks for all you do,and keep an eye on ol' "Spindletop",your "gusher" car.
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) I'll let basjoos comment on the exhaust routing.

2) The lever for the hand throttle is to provide very fine throttle control when cruising. It's a mod that enables a more efficient driving technique.

When you get fuel consumption instrumentation in your car, one of the very first things you notice is the relatively BIG jumps in fuel consumption from incremental changes to the accelerator position. Changes that are literally imperceptible to the butt-o-meter will show up on an instant fuel consumption display.

The hand control permits much finer adjustment of the throttle once up to cruising speed. It may also be more comfortable to use than feathering the throttle by foot for long periods.
I don't understand your question about the exhaust routing.

The hand throttle has proved very useful for hypermiling (especially when DWL) and for giving my leg muscles a rest when on long trips.
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I had to take my car to the garage for a major service and had to remove the 4 wheel well skirts, outer side skirts, and the underbody panelling beneath the engine bay before I drove it to the garage. Overall I saw a 3-4mpg drop, with a noticeable reduction in coasting ability and an increase in the power level needed to maintain speed. At highway speeds it felt like I was driving in the winter at freezing temps in terms of its power and coasting characteristics. My car looks naked sitting there with its wheels exposed.
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I don't understand your question about the exhaust routing.
Sorry basjoos - that was just a link spammer who slipped through our defenses. He had just copied random text from further up the thread to post along with his link.

Hope you've got the car back together now!
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Some people I know do not like the way it looks. I do! Just different. Did you do boat tail at one shot, or in stages? My car is DD, and can't keep it garaged for more than 12 hours, and trying to figure out assembly schedule?
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My car is also my DD, so I usually don't have more time than over a weekend to install mods on my car. I built my original aluminum bar and clear vinyl boattail in one day. It took 5 days of vacation to build the permanent version of the boattail.

If I had to build the permanent version on the fly, I would have taken one day to strip off the tailgate and construct the aluminum bar frame. If I had to drive it the next day, I would have covered the frame with clear vinyl, hung the licence plate and lights on the back of the covered frame. Then on subsequent days off would have installed the aluminum sheet, lexan glazing, permanent electrical wiring, and the interior.
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Hey basjoos, I just came by 3 sheets of coroplast (ie. campaign signs). Full 4' by 8' sheets, and I am thinking the first thing I will do is the smooth under body. When you did yours, how did you work that with the exhaust? Is coroplast rugged enough to take that kind of heat? Also, any special considerations around the wheel/suspension area? I think the under body should take about two sheets, with enough left over for some frontal blocking. I guess the third sheet can be used for something else... perhaps making wheel deflectors/boat tails and a set of rear wheel skirts. Any thoughts?
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Coroplast is made of polypropylene, which has a melting temp of 340F (173C). I have it within 2" of exhaust components from the exhaust manifold to the catalytic converter and within 1" of the muffler where the exhaust temps have cooled off a bit. I used aluminum sheet (roof flashing) for portions of the underbody that are closer to the exhaust system. The main consideration around the wheel/suspension area is to allow space for the full range of movement of the suspension and the lock to lock pivoting of the front wheels.

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