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Old 07-19-2013, 10:04 PM   #31 (permalink)
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No extra pedal take up that I have noticed, but I was not paying attention. They're ridiculously easy to install. But even easy is too hard if they're not effective. And I just can't know for certain. Seems logical that they benefit at some level.
Are these the clips that suppose to push the brake pads away from the rotor?
They may help at some point if you put some grease at the caliper guides and at the end of the brake pads but if the caliper piston is stuck they are worthless unless you replace the calipers.

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Old 07-20-2013, 09:10 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Are these the clips that suppose to push the brake pads away from the rotor?
Yes they are. I need to do some brake maintenance, possibly.

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so as far as you can tell, the wheels dont seem to turn more "freely" due to less brake drag?
I just put the car up on stands and tested. They are a little freer than before the hub bearing replacement and the clips, but I expected even freer rolling than I am seeing. So I think some brake bleeding and caliper inspection is in order. See what shakes-out.
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:17 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I don't know what you game is, but again, you simply are not reading at all, or are reading poorly. The tire size you list is not my tire size. My front tires are the stock 185/65-14s. So your point is moot. It's not semantics to point out that you're wrong on the basic facts.

Jedi-sol here offers you some good advice:



If you don't mind, "Vansquish," maybe you could take your critiques of lowered suspension onto a thread for a car that actually is lowered? I'd like to have my build thread back.
First, I apologize from diverting from your build thread, it's interesting stuff, and some of it is applicable to what I'm hoping to do over the long haul (political-sign undertray, and a taller gear set from the European Diesel model of my car, etc.). I'm happy to let you go back to it.

Second, I know that the basics of hypermiling require a few things: smaller frontal area, less airflow under the car, narrower tires, harder tires (e.g. more overinflated tires), and less contact patch. So of course this is going to be prevalent on here.

Third, and most importantly, the only reason I had a bug up my bum on this was because I couldn't square this:

...with your claims that you hadn't modified the suspension, and that everything was OEM up front (at least height-wise). FYI, I did see the 185/65/14s, but couldn't understand how "your" car looked so low if nothing had been changed.

The problem was simple, IT WASN'T YOUR CAR! I feel like a dumbass, and I apologize for cluttering up your thread. Back to it, I'm interested to see how things go in the long haul.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:22 AM   #34 (permalink)
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The problem was simple, IT WASN'T YOUR CAR! I feel like a dumbass
I sometimes feel like a dumbass too. Mistakes happen. Thanks for your interest. And who knows... maybe I'll lower mine too!
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:19 PM   #35 (permalink)
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And who knows... maybe I'll lower mine too!
As long as the guy about to t-bone you is on the brakes before contact his bumper will drop slightly and line up nicely with the impact structure of your car.

Let us know if you come up with a definitive conclusion on those brake clips... seems like a neat mod.
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Let us know if you come up with a definitive conclusion on those brake clips... seems like a neat mod.
Unfortunately the brake clips did not work out. Amazon said they fit the EX/Si but would also fit the 1998 Civic DX and Raybestos just said they fit the "1998 Honda Civic" without any trim info. Another site said they were for the EX and Si and said nothing about the DX. I now think the last site was correct. They scraped a little as the wheels turned. I took em off and gifted 'em to a good home (somebody on EM with a Civic EX). I might try the NAPA ones, later in the summer/fall when I'm done with bellypan, wheel skirts, and diffuser (and when I have finished several home repair projects).

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My justification for saying that your 60psi over-inflation is unsafe was based on the listed maximum inflation pressures
That's what listed, nothing more.
Burst pressures for tyres are WAY higher than 60psi - think double.

Exploded tyres were typically underinflated, got too hot, and disintegrated or blew off .

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Additionally, with a tire so over-inflated, your braking distances will be negatively impacted, as will your ability to make evasive maneuvers if necessary.
In my experience, the main issue with high inflation is in keeping the wheels on the road rather than bouncing about.
So it's more of a suspension and road issue than a tyre issue.


Tyres etc. are always a compromise, and as a driver, you live with that choice and compensate for it.
Wether you're hypermiling or shooting for pole in F1.
There's always a stickier tyre than what you're running ... or one that uses less fuel ... or lasts longer.

The best tyres, the best suspension, the best brakes ... all still have their limits. The limit may be further away, but if you don't drive within the limits, you're out.

So regardless, you always have to compensate one way or another, and drive within the capabilities of what you've got - and rest assured, that's what 99+% of us are all doing
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I expected even freer rolling than I am seeing.
Could it be an issue of expectations ?

I've always been surprised by how much drag there is on a car wheel.
Even when it's still fairly new.
They just don't roll all that freely.
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Could it be an issue of expectations ?

I've always been surprised by how much drag there is on a car wheel.
Even when it's still fairly new.
They just don't roll all that freely.
I think I probably had excessive expectations. But it was also the fact that the clips were of the wrong type, not fit properly, and therefore not working.
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