BMW Mini: a potential eco-platform?

[MetroMPG]

Until this weekend, I have to admit I'd never paid much attention to the BMW Mini.

Partly because I assumed they were, like the New Beetle (which is about the size of a Golf), a fairly porky car despite their diminitive originals.

Wrong!

There was one parked at the end of the row at a used car lot, and I pulled beside with the ForkenSwift ... the GIANT ForkenSwift! Yes, a 1992 Geo Metro appears larger in all dimensions than a BMW Mini.

Which got me wondering, how heavy is it? Do these things have any potential as an eco-mobile? I know they're offered with an efficient diesel in Europe.

Anyone ever driven one? Are they stupidly geared and overpowered for the North American market, like all the other international variants we get?

[tjts1]

The first generation cars have engine and transmission lifted straight out of the Dodge Neon with displacement reduced to 1.6 liter. Second gen have Peugeot engines. The second gen cars are supposed to be much more efficient but uglier in my opinion.

[MetroMPG]

About the transmission... that's interesting. Considering the Neon probably has a torquier engine, that might mean there are taller gearing or final drive options for modders.

The Mini is a porker for its size though: according to Wikipedia, 2500 lbs (!!) for the 1st gen (BMW): 2,496 lb (1,132 kg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29

[MadisonMPG]

They weigh about 2500lbs IIRC.

.68:1 is sixth gear, and a 4.35 axle ratio...

New MINI Cooper Hardtop Specs @ Autotropolis.com

EDIT: Beat me to it.

[MetroMPG]

Of course, the aero isn't good either (AutoBlog says Cd is .33 on current Coopers, .35 on previous ones), but it could be tweaked.

[Ryland]

It does have wide tires and it geared towards people who want a sporty car so it seems like there is alot of room for improvement.
thing I found interesting is the Mini Clubmen gets the same mileage but is longer with more space in the back.

[cfg83]

Hello -

A few years ago they started offering the base Mini with 6 speed tranny and 27/36 new EPA MPG. Also keep in mind that the Mini *requires* premium gasoline.

I think you won't find light weight in any new production car unless you go exotic with high $ materials.

CarloSW2

[cfg83]

MetroMPG -

Originally Posted by MetroMPG

Of course, the aero isn't good either (AutoBlog says Cd is .33 on current Coopers, .35 on previous ones), but it could be tweaked.

Start with losing those side-view mirrors.

CarloSW2

[MetroMPG]

Originally Posted by cfg83

I think you won't find light weight in any new production car unless you go exotic with high $ materials.

Not true!

The 2010 Ford Fiesta (likely larger than the first gen. BMW Mini): Curb weight 2150–2250 lb (source)

That's the lightest weight 4-seater in the North American market that I'm aware of.

The two seat 2010 Smart Fortwo is even lighter at 1808 lbs.

[cfg83]

MetroMPG -

Ok, that's great news. On the other hand, I don't count the Smart as a "normal" car. Because of the trade-offs, I think of it as an enclosed motorcycle.

CarloSW2