the bottom line, people have be forced to conserve.

[diesel_john]

the bottom line, people have to be forced to conserve.

if we modders want to make a big difference, we need to bring the speeds down to 60, it worked before and it will work again. this is quickest way to 'damage control'. this can buy us a little time.

[tasdrouille]

Change has always been a child of necessity. It will happen by itself as people realize they need to do something about it, when they realize they do not have a choice anymore.

[tjts1]

Originally Posted by diesel_john

the bottom line, people have be forced to conserve.

Good luck with that.

[Peakster]

I agree. Fortunately I think it's getting the point where people are actively making changes to their lifestyle because money talks pretty loud.

Psst: my dad is thinking of trading in his Intrepid for a used Jetta diesel. Shhh don't jinx it!

[s2man]

I haven't researched it, but I have two friends who wish gasoline prices would stay around $3.50. They claim that price level would make alternative fuels cost effective, and stimulate production, development, competition, etc.

My opinion: when oil prices get high enough, other energy sources will come into play, and energy costs will plateau. Then we'll know the real price of energy, as opposed to just pumping it out of the ground and burning it.

[trebuchet03]

Originally Posted by tjts1

Good luck with that.

Worked in the 70's....

[basjoos]

Originally Posted by diesel_john

we need to bring the speeds down to 60.

I certainly hope they don't drop the speed limits down to 60mph. That would cramp my style on the downhill coasts where I can be hitting 70 to 80 mph (you can gain speed fast with a low Cd) and where now I can just blend in with the high speed traffic. I'm usually doing 60 to 70mph on the flats and 50 to 60mph on the uphills (depending on traffic).

[diesel_john]

Originally Posted by basjoos

I certainly hope they don't drop the speed limits down to 60mph. That would cramp my style on the downhill coasts where I can be hitting 70 to 80 mph (you can gain speed fast with a low Cd) and where now I can just blend in with the high speed traffic. I'm usually doing 60 to 70mph on the flats and 50 to 60mph on the uphills (depending on traffic).

i thought of you (in a good way) when i said that, but i am not concerned about the low Cd's. just the flying barn doors. you may have to make one of your back axle stubs live and couple an alternator to it to charge your battery and run your accessories, water pump, fans,etc...


"Psst: my dad is thinking of trading in his Intrepid for a used Jetta diesel. Shhh don't jinx it!"
which has the better CdA?


"That's what it will come down to, probably via prices"
the yards here are advertising on the radio, $175/ton for scrape cars, the big boats are going to market.


"My opinion: when oil prices get high enough, other energy sources will come into play, and energy costs will plateau. Then we'll know the real price of energy, as opposed to just pumping it out of the ground and burning it."

Did you know that the distillers grain left after the ethanol is removed is a higher protein animal feed than the orginal corn they started with. so it can still fulfill its original purpose as feed after distillation. the feed is a byproduct. No one talks about that very much.

[Peakster]

Originally Posted by diesel_john

Which has the better Cd?

Both a '99 Intrepid and a '01 Jetta have a Cd of 0.30. I'm not sure which has the better CdA though.

[DifferentPointofView]

My opinion: when oil prices get high enough, other energy sources will come into play, and energy costs will plateau.

Reminds me of nature, mostly the equilibrium part. When one thing gets low, something that is abundant or can be abundant fills in the emptyness, and it goes back to being equal-ish. In otherwords, when we get to the last oil reserves, more types of energy will fill it's place.

a lot of people you can't change things, because things have been this way and we will always do it this way. It's like nature, you can try and try but... you can't change nature.

But It's good we have people who like change out there and stand up for it. They counter act with.. but... change IS nature.