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Old 07-27-2016, 04:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Buying a hybrid car in a year from now off.

Next year I will replace my old SUV turbodiesel (It will be then 10 years and some stupid Belgium rules are verry rude about old diesels. So my car needs to be replaced or it wil cost me to much monney and i dont want to pay those aditional stuff.

My chose is a hybrid car. But what car?

There are a lot of cars to found here in Belgium.

I like SUV's, i know that those are not the most fuel efficient.
These are the SUV's that are within budget (new or nearly new/young second hands)

- 2016 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid awd-i

(The 2016 Lexus NX 300h uses the same technologie but is just over my budget.)

Big family cars that are interesting is actually a short list of the verry long list of available cars.

- 2016 Toyota Prius
- honda accord hybrid
- ? (Some simular cars???)

The plan is to mount an additional battery in the trunk in parallel or with an concerter to the stock battery to expand the capacity. This is to have an extended EV range for the short distances and be able to charge the battery at home.

What is your opiniun?
Maybe you come up with something i didnt tought off

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Old 07-27-2016, 05:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Why not buy a factory-made plug-in hybrid?

You can even get an SUV version -- I understand the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is very popular in Europe. It's been available for a year or two now, so you may even be able to get a used one if it suits your budget better.
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Old 08-04-2016, 05:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Does it have to be an SUV hybrid? Or can it perhaps be a smaller car as well? Personally I am looking at the Toyota Yaris H2 Hybrid. I really like the looks and the way it drives, only thing is I don't know wether to buy it used or brand new?

Perhaps if you are in the market for an SUV you could possible check out the new Tesla?
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Old 08-19-2017, 08:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Why not buy a factory-made plug-in hybrid?

You can even get an SUV version -- I understand the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is very popular in Europe. It's been available for a year or two now, so you may even be able to get a used one if it suits your budget better.
It doenst need to be an SUV, but a big famely car.

After the change in goverment rules i decided to keep driving the current car until juni 2018.

Right now i have 2 cars that i found more interesting.

The VW Passat GTE plug in,
and the Volvo V60 AWD plug in

Both are the same price second hand.
I like the Volvo over the VW. More luxery, diesel is more fuel efficient on longer trips and has faster 0 to 100km/h time. And VW is only front wheel drive. The Volvo has front wheel diesel and rear wheel electro. Witch is more suitable for my winter skieing holidays. And winter driving.

The Outlander has an 0-100km/h time of 11 seconds. What is 2 seconds slower then my current ride. I cant go slower :P
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
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So, since you're going to keep the SUV for a while, are you still considering to get into hybrids once you get it replaced? What about gaseous fuels such as CNG and LPG?


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It will be then 10 years and some stupid Belgium rules are verry rude about old diesels. So my car needs to be replaced or it wil cost me to much monney and i dont want to pay those aditional stuff.
Some EU laws are quite pointless. It would make much more sense to keep a well-mantained older car on the road instead of wasting energy and raw materials for a replacement. Even if an engine swap or the retrofit of particulate filters became allowed to make them comply to current emission standards, would still be less energy-intensive and more sustainable overall.


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I like SUV's, i know that those are not the most fuel efficient.
These are the SUV's that are within budget (new or nearly new/young second hands)

- 2016 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid awd-i

(The 2016 Lexus NX 300h uses the same technologie but is just over my budget.)

Big family cars that are interesting is actually a short list of the verry long list of available cars.

- 2016 Toyota Prius
- honda accord hybrid
- ? (Some simular cars???)
IIRC there were some reports that the Prius V (Prius + in Europe) had a roomier interior than the Rav4.
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Old 08-20-2017, 12:35 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Ya might also look into the Ford C-Max Energi
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I imagine something the the Volt would be out of the question due to its small size. I really love the balance Chevy/GM struck with it though. Of anything on the market today, this car might be my choice.

The Accord hybrid is significantly faster and sportier than a Prius (~7 seconds to 60), and comes very close in terms of real-world economy, with an EPA rated 50mpg city. I don't much like that it isn't a hatch though, and my next car will almost certainly be a plug-in. The Honda Clarity plug-in hybrid may be out by the time you're shopping, and may fit the bill very nicely.

The Hyundai Ioniq is new to the market, but has the highest EPA rating in the US for non plug-ins - though we don't have any diesel hybrids. It may not be large enough for your needs, but it's worth a mention.

The Kia Niro is a "subcompact SUV" hybrid which is EPA rated nearly as high as a Prius, and is definitely worth looking at:



Someone drove one of these from coast to coast and managed almost 77mpg:

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Old 08-20-2017, 06:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Non plug in hybrids are no longer having the benefit here of not paying road taxes. So those are no option for me. Non plug in hyrides have a limited time (2025) to acces low emission zones.

My suv will be solled next year. I otherwise need to do a rear axle rebuild. Cost only 1000 euro. And from 1 januari 2019 i may no longer drive in the low emission zones.

Except if i legally retrofit an particular filter for 1000 euro. And from 2020 i need to pay 500 euro to drive 1 year in the low emission zone. And from 2021 even with the particular filter, i may no longer drive in the low emission zone.

So the choise of an plug in hybride ( diesel or gas) have acces until 2030. The rules beginning from 2030 are not published yet.
And until 2030 plug ins do not have to pay road taxes.

LPG and CNG is not that mutch cheaper then regular gas or diesel. And if you compare between those and a plug in. The plug in is cheaper to drive.
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Ya might also look into the Ford C-Max Energi
The hybrid version isnt availeble yet in my country.
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Old 08-22-2017, 01:29 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Those EU rules are becoming excessively strict, and the cost to comply is getting too high. No wonder Spain is pushing for a waiver on the emission laws.

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