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Old 01-11-2018, 02:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I tried a few different searches. I mostly got thumbs downs, stamps, people putting up their hands, and the Merriam-Webster logo.

I have a kindergartner whose goals are CH and J. For two and a half years, just showing kids how I make the sound has been enough, but it did not work for him. You may be surprised to learn that CH is technically TSH. Someone recommended having kids say "Meat ship." While I could successfully teach him to say "Meachip," that sounded useless, so I went for bench, bunch, hatchet, catcher, coach, denture, katsup, kitchen, and matches.

I love it when a plan comes together!

The same people who say CH is TSH also say that J is DZ, with the Z being like Zsa Zsa or beige, the sound the student is already making. I am going to try to teach him to say adzent, badzer, prodzect, madzic, madzor, paidze, soldzer, redzect, redzister, and fudze.

None of that sounds right to me, either, but I am just trying to do my job!

For example, I have a picture of a [child-friendly] maid, the letters "zor" and a picture of Major Payne, from the movie "Major Payne," about a fictional character named Major Payne. Supposedly, Maid + zor = major.

I look forward to asking about this in grad school.

I keep thinking of a reject pile, like misshapen Cheerios, but I am not finding anything so far. Bonus points if it is a cultural reference!

For "Kitchen," I could have used a sewing kit, model airplane kit, or something else, but I chose K.I.T.T. from "Knight Rider," because I am stuck in 1982.

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Old 01-12-2018, 01:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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How old are these kids?

My dad tells me a story of how I would say "lum" instead of "plum". He exaggerated the P and said it again "Plum". I replied, "P", "lum".

I knew a 5 year old that only had "momma" in his vocabulary. His speech is normal today. I wonder if he had speech therapy?
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:16 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Most of my kids are K - 2. This one is a kindergartner. Half of kids that are two and a half years old and speech-delayed catch up by three. The other half are another six months behind. I would expect fewer to catch up each year, but there is still a chance. When I was learning Spanish, I knew that I pronounced everything wrong, but I could not figure it out myself, someone needed to tell me.

Then again, I hear stories of kids that potty-train themselves.

One of the words we do is "Pack." It shows a backpack. I should probably replace it with a picture of someone packing a suitcase. The kids always say "Packpack."
"No. Wait. Just `pack.'"
"Packpack!"

When I break down the words and phrases, most of them say the individual components correctly, but when we put them back together, they say it exactly the same way they did originally.

I make such a difference in their lives...

It is exciting when they have some speech error that makes everyday vocabulary sound inappropriate and they say it loudly.
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In speech, we write out words phonetically, kind of like dictionaries do, but more confusingly. M-w.com says "\ ˈba-jər \" for "Badger." According to the International Phonemic Alphabet, "Badger" is /bęʤər/. I tried the materials I put together with my student and successfully got him to say "Badzer."

That does not sound right at all.

"I like to think of the [...] /j/ is a combination of the /d/ to a /zh/ sound." https://cassville.k12.mo.us/pages/kw...ation(chj).htm

They are not following the IPA. Supposedly they SLPs. I am not.

"‘J’ can be produced the same way with the combination of sounds being ‘d’ and ‘z’ (as in azure) or ‘g’ (as in beige). Follow the same guidelines above." Eliciting sh, ch, j (jump) Sounds

"The `j' sound is made by saying the `d' sound and the `zh' sounds very quickly together. This may be another one that is best worked on by a speech-language pathologist." https://www.speechandlanguagekids.co...h-a-new-sound/

This is above my pay grade?

"you would want her to produce the d then the ʒ sound repeatedly and fast" How to teach the J sound as in JumpThe Speech Mama

What did my supervisor think?

She redzected it.
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As far as I'm concerned, there are no rules of the English language, therefore no correct way to say things as long as people understand your meaning.

The thing I appreciate about Spanish is that words are almost always spelled the way they sound. You don't have to memorize how things are spelled to read or write. I bet a Spanish spelling bee is a very boring event.

Children often apply the "rules" (suggestions) of the English language correctly, and then we have to teach them how to break the rules. "I hitted the ball" is the correct application of past tense, but somehow incorrect in English.

If it were up to me, I'd start over with a new language that has steadfast rules, and very little reuse of words that mean drastically different things.
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That's possibly one of the best images to show rejection that I have ever seen, it was widely used for memes about 5 to 6 years ago.



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The thing I appreciate about Spanish is that words are almost always spelled the way they sound.
Not sure if it actually applies to Spanish. Trust me, nearly every year I have to speak Spanish a few times, and not every Spanish speaker sounds as clear as Mexicans seem to do.

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