Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now

Now available from EcoModder: ScanGauge II fuel economy gauge.  Click for details.  

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-18-2008, 05:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: united kingdom
Posts: 254

Tracy - '00 corsa
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
check out my new kammback !

its made of heat bended plexiglas from the local DIY shop and aluminium strips bent into hooks that anchor into the rear hatch.

i will test it soon. do you think the angle is too steep?


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Dsc00784.jpg (110.2 KB, 55 views)
File Type: jpg Dsc00785.jpg (123.6 KB, 42 views)
__________________
Peugeot 106 1.5L diesel. Average FE = 70mpg(UK)
Del:mirror/aerial/mudflaps. + grillblock
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2008, 07:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 3,940

Mica Blue - '05 xA RS 2.0
Team Toyota
90 day: 48.22 mpg (US)

Josepha - '08 xD
90 day: 30.76 mpg (US)
Thanks: 513
Thanked 501 Times in 306 Posts
Hi,

Yes, it would probably be better if it was less steep; but try it and see if it helps.
__________________
Sincerely, Neil

http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2008, 08:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
Pokémoderator
 
cfg83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,724

1999 Saturn SW2 - '99 SW2 Wagon
Team Saturn
90 day: 43.05 mpg (US)
Thanks: 385
Thanked 459 Times in 315 Posts
modmonster -

I really like it because I think the rear visibility is important. I am not sure, but should the sides "come off" the side of the hatchback door? I ask because in my "Kamm-back plan to rule the world", that was my design assumption.

What is a DIY shop? I think I know what you mean, but I am interested in the one you went to.

CarloSW2
__________________

What's your EPA MPG? Go Here and find out!
American Solar Energy Society
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2008, 08:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 12,537

Blackfly - '98 Metro
Team Metro
90 day: 67.07 mpg (US)

ForkenSwift - '92 Metro EV
90 day: 125.37 mpg (US)

U.F.O. - '00 Insight
Team Honda
90 day: 85.75 mpg (US)
Thanks: 302
Thanked 1,020 Times in 568 Posts
I think it may be too steep, yes. Did you by any chance see the "teardrop template" in my Kammback thread? It's a good starting place for figuring out the ideal shape/angle.

EDIT: here's the link to the post in question about the teardrop ... Project: making a permanent Metro Kammback extension

I really like the material choice. If I could do mine in clear plastic, I probably would.
__________________
Latest project: removable Geo Metro boat tail
Latest test: Massive cardboard air dam on a Geo Metro


www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2008, 09:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,382

Herbie - '86 Golf Diesel
90 day: 51.89 mpg (US)

Steve - '92 Festiva
Thanks: 955
Thanked 324 Times in 273 Posts
slightly too deep of an angle off the back, and the sides should extend past the hatch to the absolute sides of the vehicle to add maximum flow extension.

Looks great though, and even slight improvement is better than nothing.. (if it wasn't it would not be called slight IMPROVEMENT... correct?)
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2008, 10:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
Deadly Efficient
 
Tango Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northern Indiana
Posts: 1,062

Olivia - '03 Vibe base
90 day: 38.61 mpg (US)

Silver Bullet - '00 Insight
90 day: 60.3 mpg (US)
Thanks: 67
Thanked 63 Times in 33 Posts
COOL.

I think 'too steep' is a good place to start. I would suggest tuft testing while incrementally raising the trailing edge until attached flow is indicated. Then you know you're getting the most bang for the buck, as it were.
The only problem with that strategy is filling in the sides afterwards.

I also think plexi is the material of choice. Good job, modmonster!
__________________
-Terry





My Pet Threads:
Vibe Mods and What's in a UserName? and YKYAEI
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2008, 10:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
That VX guy!
 
TomO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Mini Soda
Posts: 810

Thrifty McGassaver - '94 Civc VX
90 day: 41.98 mpg (US)

2010 Elantra - '010 Elantra GLS
90 day: 27.23 mpg (US)

The Tank - '06 Touring DE
90 day: 66.87 mpg (US)
Thanks: 71
Thanked 62 Times in 44 Posts
Send a message via AIM to TomO Send a message via Yahoo to TomO Send a message via Skype™ to TomO
I concur that plexi is the way to go. Time for some tuft testing though and then perhaps Kammback 2.0?
__________________

CivicVX.com<--- is down for now... PM me if you would like to help resurrect it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2008, 04:13 AM   #8 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: united kingdom
Posts: 254

Tracy - '00 corsa
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
had a slight problem with moisture the other day. -dew on both sides.
__________________
Peugeot 106 1.5L diesel. Average FE = 70mpg(UK)
Del:mirror/aerial/mudflaps. + grillblock
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2008, 04:14 AM   #9 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: united kingdom
Posts: 254

Tracy - '00 corsa
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
i had to put the support in the middle so no wipers im afraid.
__________________
Peugeot 106 1.5L diesel. Average FE = 70mpg(UK)
Del:mirror/aerial/mudflaps. + grillblock
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2008, 05:43 AM   #10 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: belgium
Posts: 663

vectra a - '95 Vectra GLS
90 day: 37.51 mpg (US)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 47 Times in 33 Posts
a had a corsa once but it met with a wall, still it intrests me how aerodynamic i might have made it if i'd still had it

since the prius is a bit of an icon when it comes to good earo i made a quick comparison between the two... the sketches are not to scale but it's interesting to see that the overall proportions of the two cars match quite well, only as as apparent in the first comparison to be as aero as the prius the corsas roof would have to drop considerably wich could make it look more like a CRX

when looking at the roofline curve and continueing prius style where the opel roof stops you can see it shoudln't be to hard to make a kammback that continues that line.

it would seem that your kamm angles down a bit to steep. you might get better results with changeing the angle wich couldn't be that hard to do i imangine.

also your car has these gentle curves at the back, generally a clear cut edge will promote cleaner saparation. perhaps small spoiler strips to the sides could cure this...
could make a difference in aero too


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
__________________
aer·o·dy·nam·ics: the science of passing gass

*i can coast for miles and miles and miles*
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Project: making a permanent Metro Kammback extension MetroMPG Aerodynamics 251 12-02-2011 01:24 AM
HELP! Check engine light - Loss of power bennelson Off-Topic Tech 28 07-07-2009 06:13 PM
Stimulus Check bah! Hand out scangauges instead. rsx2002 EcoModding Central 24 07-17-2008 10:28 AM
Vibe Kammback / Boat tail trikkonceptz Aerodynamics 7 05-30-2008 11:23 PM
Kammback design trikkonceptz Aerodynamics 1 05-07-2008 06:07 PM




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com