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Old 05-27-2010, 10:38 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Go Bruce! Are you going to go with some aero too? I could keep my civic until the next economy run (Hopefully Mike does at least one AMEC run this summer) to see if you can defeat the EX with your new mods if you want.


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Old 05-28-2010, 08:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
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@bruce, are you able to tell when in lean burn with the guino? by watching mpg or gph or something?
Well if you watch the Guino mpg like a hawk I suppose you can spot it jump, which is what it does when it goes into LB (lean burn). But you can coax it to stay in LB even on modest upgrades and other similar challenging situations, and you can only guess from the Guino whether you're in LB or not.

But of course the Guino does tell you the actual mpg very accurately. So you could make a case that you don't really need to know if it's in LB or not.

I use the ScanGauge to show LB. There's a custom X-gauge setting you can program into it that somehow derives data out of the wideband Oxy sensor. It reads 0 when in lean burn and seems to be very reliable. Also it does check out against the Guino. When you let the SG read MPG without any adjustment to it, and compare those MPG to the Guino readout. Typically, without being in LB, the Guino will read about 10% higher mpg than the SG on my Civic. When it goes into LB, the Guino reads about 30-35% higher mpg than the SG because SG's mpg calc is completely unaware of LB. It reads other engine parameters and derives fuel qty by assuming stoich ratio.

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Old 05-28-2010, 09:04 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Go Bruce! Are you going to go with some aero too? I could keep my civic until the next economy run (Hopefully Mike does at least one AMEC run this summer) to see if you can defeat the EX with your new mods if you want.
I dunno about defeating the p+g champ. I might try though!

Who's Mike and AMEC?? I'm interested. My wife is worried I'm going to be going to FE rallies all the time - where would she get that idea?? But if I get the monster bathroom renovation done this weekend I might be able to trade that against... I think you get the idea.
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Old 05-29-2010, 12:27 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Heh, understood. I bet that's a debt all of us with better halves need to pay. Last year it was only 3 times, this year looks to be about the same, maybe one more...that's really not too much time away from the ol' ball and chain.

Mike was the guy who got the speaking line in the discovery Canada video, and the guy with the "130 mpg" 2L Sentra. He runs AMEC (Adirondack Motor Enthusiast Club) - they are a bunch of gearheads that do a little ice racing circuit on various lakes in the Adirondacks, and they have a bunch of sweet classic cars. Mike organizes an annual fuel economy run very similar to the GGP, except with a "fill till you can see it" rule. Since it's in the Adirondacks, it will also be that much closer for you to drive to. Don't you feel lucky to live right near the premiere fuel economy runs? We sure get some nice roads out of all that tax money.


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