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Old 12-06-2017, 12:55 PM   #611 (permalink)
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and the Pursuit of Happiness."

This non-scientific belief seems to be pretty good for humanity. I'll cling to this one.
We have evolved to not worry about the future since we never used to have any real influence over it when we lived simply on natural solar flows. Now we have great power over the environment. And each other. So I must add an addendum to the previous to include the pursuit of happiness for the next 10,000 generations. The only way is utilizing a wise system view based on science.

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I'll point out that methane is relatively short-lived (12 years by one source). While it is a potent greenhouse gas, it likes to turn into water and carbon dioxide.
Right, and carbon dioxide sticks around for a very long time.
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We have evolved to not worry about the future since we never used to have any real influence over it when we lived simply on natural solar flows. Now we have great power over the environment. And each other. So I must add an addendum to the previous to include the pursuit of happiness for the next 10,000 generations. The only way is utilizing a wise system view based on science.
With the continual decline in the rate of population growth, increases in efficiency, development of technology, and economic motivation to harness the abundant free and renewable energy, I see very little evidence to conclude that 10,000 generations is unlikely.

However, seeing the rapid progression of humanity's ability to go from beating each other with clubs, to mowing them down with machine guns, to thermonuclear annihilation, I see nothing that would prevent lunatics from wielding unimaginable power in the future. Perhaps they will be able to "print" a gene mutation that kills humanity. Maybe they develop self-replicating machines that hunt people.

Science will be our demise, not our savior.
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I see nothing that would prevent lunatics from wielding unimaginable power in the future.
In the future? In the sense that today we only have stable, levelheaded people in charge of nukes?
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Seven generations should be sufficient?

Of course what does a generation mean in the face of Generalized AI, life extension and CRISPR editing?

In addition to attempting to exert control over the atmospheric systems, I assert we should also look to ruggedizing all built infrastructure. For instance what if a Coronal Mass Ejection blew away 5-10% of the atmosphere. It would be like we are suddenly living at 20,000ft.
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In the future? In the sense that today we only have stable, levelheaded people in charge of nukes?
I did mention nukes, and that is the reason for my pessimistic outlook on humanity's ability to restrain itself. While nuclear bombs have the ability to devastate humanity, we lack the technology to completely annihilate it.

Even if weapons technology halted at current levels, given enough time, nuclear weapons would eventually be used again. That same logic applies to a weapons system capable of eliminating humanity. It only takes 1 lunatic with humanity destroying capability to bring about the end of humanity.

Perhaps that is why no aliens have visited Earth; they end up destroying themselves long before they develop the technology required to travel light years away.
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I, for one, welcome our slaughterbot overlords?

I must say I'm impressed by the production values of the video. First him pulling the closeup camera out of his shirt pocket. There's a lot of money behind that mockumentary.

Half the audience had a little accident in their pants.
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Perhaps that is why no aliens have visited Earth; they end up destroying themselves long before they develop the technology required to travel light years away.
Did they also have equivalents to Justin Beiber and Jersey Shore?

Are they texting and piloting?

"Asteroid field ahead. Let me just finish this lev--"

I read again that over half of pollution came from construction. Is that the same as cars? Buy a good reliable used car instead of a brand-new one? What about building an energy-efficient home versus the same methods that have been used for decades?

Fifteen years ago I heard about straw bale construction and started researching it the other day. Someone commented in a YouTube video that none of the claims were true, while compressed earth blocks, especially stabilized CEBs, were everything great and wonderful.

Supposedly, a ridiculous amount of straw goes to waste every year.

They do not compost it?

Also, something like 99% of dirt is not being used [[directly] by humans]. Don't let that dirt get away with just laying around anymore! Smash it into bricks and walls! I found various other methods that are supposed to be cheap and easy. I watched a couple on YouTube build with Styrofoam forms. Apparently, they were going to eventually fill the void with concrete. There are gas-powered machines that compress dirt and a bit of magical concrete to make bricks, sometimes even ones that resemble Legos.

Let's go back to the "gas-powered" part. Nothing like spewing fumes as you save the world!

Wikipedia mentions Oryzatech, which makes this:


and Rainbow Ecosystem, which makes this:


I write "makes" and not "sells" because I am not sure that either of them actually sell anything.

While people claim that straw bale construction is fire-proof, properly-used straw bales still burn at 1200F. This is an article about a million-dollar straw bale house that burned down ten years ago. I am not sure what should have been done differently. http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...struction.html

Even if someone figured out how to do this properly, I have read several times that the outer walls only account for 10% of the cost of house construction; saving money there is lost elsewhere, but then it is more energy efficient?

I tried to find figures for how much it would cost to build with 2x6s or 2x8s (for extra insulation). I did not find that information, just all kinds of opinions, but studs are thermal bridges, so some people recommend staggered 2x4s, Structural Insulated Panels, and then:

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Earthcore, a Colorado SIP manufacturer, has essentially sliced up a SIP into studs; Like a SIP it is two layers of OSB sandwiched around a urethane core, but you work with it like a conventional stud. The 2x6 stud has an R-value of 21; [...] a conventional 2x6 has an R value of 7.75.
They point out that insulated exterior sheathing would also eliminate the thermal bridging.
https://www.treehugger.com/green-arc...-of-a-sip.html

This guy wrote about adobe, rammed earth, compressed earth blocks, straw bale construction, and other "green" forms of construction. In the end he only recommended pumice-crete, but it needed to be built quickly: Gallery - The Myth and Promise of Dirt Cheap Housing

What do you guys think is the best way to build nowadays? Where is our fan of geodesic domes?

In the end, the only thing that I feel was potentially useful to me was learning of straw bale gardens. You plant in the bales! Genius!
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The movie is a dramatization with a plea by Stuart Russel at the end to join the group.The web site seems legit as referenced by a post on UNOG where they attended the first ever world level meetings last month. Won't be my main cause but is something to be aware of going forward.
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