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Old 12-31-2017, 11:26 PM   #691 (permalink)
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Solar panels are pretty useless in Maine where I am from.

Here in new Mexico I use electricity free ventless wall heater for a good portion of heating.

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Old 01-02-2018, 07:57 AM   #692 (permalink)
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Pictures are worth a thousand words. Germany has been the world leader in RE build out. But it needs at least another 10X solar and 3X wind. Solar pv is so intermittent in the winter in Northern Latitudes. Narrow spikes. There is so little area under the graph making energy. No conceivable amount of batteries will flatten that out. And the wind didn't blow for ten days in a row. Distributed solar pv in winter plus batteries will be better than nothing to provide very basic needs for a very thrifty house (if it uses radiant heat from biomass), but it cannot power a civilization. Not this one. The USA is at 1% electrical uptake from solar. Keep in mind that is showing only electricity consumption. We will eventually need to replace all fossil energy which will be seasonally 3-5X that amount. Plus another 30% growth in 30 years. And develope effective liquid fuel conversion to power farm and mining machinery.
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All of this technology works fine if the population was 1/5th and people grew most of their own food/ biomass heat. And could stay home from work when there is a shortage of energy/ migrate in winter. And could share wealth more evenly. We have to find a de-growth economy that works while most "jobs" shift to energy transformation and sustainable food production without artificial fertilizers.
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Solar panels are pretty useless in Maine where I am from.

Here in new Mexico I use electricity free ventless wall heater for a good portion of heating.
Solar works just fine in Germany - which is at the same latitude as Alaska. Maine is much farther south than Alaska.
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Solar works just fine in Germany - which is at the same latitude as Alaska. Maine is much farther south than Alaska.
You apparently didn't see the graphic above.
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...it cannot power a civilization. Not this one.
There's your problem. The 100x leverage they got by drilling for oil that didn't just bubble up out of the ground fast enough produced an infrastructure no longer fit for purpose. Bucky Fuller told us this in the 1970s (if not the 1920s ).

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All of this technology works fine if the population was 1/5th and people grew most of their own food/ biomass heat. And [et cetera]
Double the efficiency of the collective effort, and we can sustain the present population at an even higher standard.
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Always "counting" on mankind's ingenuity to be able solve future problems is shortsighted as eventually mankind's stupidity will certainly intercede.
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Always "counting" on mankind's ingenuity to be able solve future problems is shortsighted as eventually mankind's stupidity will certainly intercede.
It will continue to get better and better for most people until it gets much worse. My prediction is that the "much worse" will come in the form of deliberate human action more so than an indeliberate consequence.

In the long term, the solar system will figure out how to destroy us if bad actors haven't already done so long before then.
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Since 2002 growth is already over for 90% of Americans. There are more US jobs in the service industry (waitress/ bartenders) than manufacturing.
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Since 2002 growth is already over for 90% of Americans. There are more US jobs in the service industry (waitress/ bartenders) than manufacturing.
Growth isn't defined by manufacturing output alone. While GDP per capita has some shortcomings, it's one of the best indicators of financial well-being for a country. It's been on the rise since 2009, and generally trending upwards since the founding of the country.



Would most people rather live with what they had in 2002, or with what they have today? People are generally better off today than at any other point in history. There is no reason to expect that trend to decline in the near-term.
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GDP per capita takes no consideration to wealth distribution which has been shifting further to the top 10% since 2002. The bottom 90 % get a smaller cut every year even if the total grows slightly.
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Since 1973 actually.

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