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Old 01-11-2018, 12:05 PM   #771 (permalink)
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Forget Breitbart and Daily Mail, how about Forbes?

I am at work, where, arguably, I am supposed to be working, and I am trying to get back to that. I tried to look up something that was work-related and found myself reading a Fox article. I generally avoid Fox just because many people refuse to discuss anything related to it and many times I have said "I read a New York Times article about..."

"You need to stop watching Fox News!"

What part of "New York Times" did they not understand?

I clicked on a few other articles. The system blocked one, but I found the same story from another news source.

Why did the system block Fox and not The Washington Times?

I remember a story where someone criticized a fact checker, although I am not sure it was Snopes, of "disproving" a claim through highly suspicious reasoning. I am not sure how to track down that article, but I found one on Forbes seeming to validate the Daily Mail post that Redneck shared: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevle.../#1a6210d3227f

I generally avoid Daily Mail, but if Forbes backs up this one particular story, then I will make an exception for this particular story. Huffington Post says that Wikipedia says that Daily Mail is not reliable.

I avoid Huffington Post, too, as well as Breitbart.


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My friends that live up-river won't believe anything until they hear it from Rachel Maddow. And they claim Fox News isn't legacy media, even though it is beamed into everyone's livingroom.

Snopes and Breitbart? They represent one data point each. I put my trust in Slashdot (and Ars Technica):

slashdot:NYC Sues Oil Companies Over Climate Change

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Wait, you guys did WHAT with that oil we sold you? Do you know how hard that crap is to get out of the ground and make nice and smooth?
Slashdot is moderated. Every comment is rated; you can read them all or only the highly-rated ones. I read at 2 and above.
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Not a conspiracy theory at all.
Climate gate 1, 2 and 3.
The only thing they have proven is how much they are willing to lie to make it look like man made climate change is happening.

Only some one who can't come up with a good excuse would try to call it a conspiracy theory and sweep it under the rug and pretend like it isn't happening.
Sorry something you believe in is a lie.
You shouldn't believe the FUD. There is no data manipulation. The science is strong and as certain as we can be.

Read "Merchants of Doubt" - and follow the money. Fossil fuel companies are desperate to keep earning record profits.

Exxon knew in 1978 that humans are causing climate change.
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Snopes...???


The last bastion of truth and or integrity...???



Facebook 'fact checker' Snopes.com accused of defrauding website to pay for prostitutes | Daily Mail Online


I'll refrain from the more lurid parts of the article even though they show more poor decision making.



From the article.

Lead fact-checkers...









So that's the definitive source of truth in scientific news debunking, we're supposed to use...???

Not to mention "any" news in general...???


No Thanks...


Also, Breitbart has found a additional 427 more scientific papers in the second half of 2017 not metioned in the Snopes article.

Are they all wrong...???

Unlikely...



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Daily Mail has no credibility. Snopes has plenty of credibility.
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A few more years I will be saying "told you so" to all the man made global warming believers.
On what basis do you think we are not seeing anthropogenic climate change?
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If one searches on 'snopes credibility' on DuckDuckGo, the first [non-ad] citation is factcheck.org:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=snopes%20c...ity&t=palemoon

What we need is a Snopes/Factcheck rap battle.
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Neil, did you completely ignore Forbes saying Daily Mail may have a point? I will share it again because scrolling is so tedious.

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You shouldn't believe the FUD. There is no data manipulation. The science is strong and as certain as we can be.

Read "Merchants of Doubt" - and follow the money. Fossil fuel companies are desperate to keep earning record profits.

Exxon knew in 1978 that humans are causing climate change.
So you just chose to ignore the fact that the institutions keep falsifying data to support their own cause?

The climate changes, man has had some effect. The idea that man is the driving force behind climate change dies a little more each day.
The best example the ipcc just admitted they were overestimating the effect CO2 had on the climate by double what it actually is. Their words, not mine.
I guess what the ipcc says is FUD too.
With a little luck in a few more years the ipcc will meet the same fate as the Chicago carbon credit exchange.
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A few more years I will be saying "told you so" to all the man made global warming believers.
On what basis do you think we are not seeing anthropogenic climate change?
The point is that AGW is a counter to an on-coming Ice Age. As was believed in the 1970s. Chemtrails accelerate the cooling trend.
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I remember something about the weather September 11th - 14th, 2001, when all flights were grounded. Looking for it, I found this, which does not talk about the weather, but is fascinating: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/9-...emerge-n645711

When the first plane hit, the President was reading a book to school children. It is infrequent, but people still talk about where they were and what they were doing on September 11th. You may win that game if you can say "The President was reading us a story."

Both the U.S. and Russia were in the middle of war games. The emergency systems and procedures were up to fifty years old and almost nobody was familiar with them. Of the top ten officials, the only one to follow procedures was later sent to prison, but procedure put him in a secure bunker, out of communication with everyone else, not that everyone else was able to communicate well. Putin tried calling W. to ask why we went to Defcon 3, but there was not any way for them to talk. Condoleeza Rice finally talked to Putin and settled everything.

This is from 2004 and claimed that contrails warmed the U.S. from 1975 - 1994, but not for the ten years before the report? It also alleged that cirrus clouds increased in number every year, but I cannot find any support for that, but hey! One of the researchers was named Dung!
Clouds Caused By Aircraft Exhaust May Warm The U.S. Climate

A Cracked writer claimed that temperature increased 2 within three days of September 11th:
[C]ontrails act as mirrors, reflecting heat away from the Earth's surface.
The Cracked page linked a source, which is dead. The Wayback Machine to the rescue! I needed to go back to 2013 to find it here: https://web.archive.org/web/20130726...ntresearch.pdf
"DTR (diurnal temperature range) departures for the grounding period are, on average, 1.8 C greater than DTR departures for the two adjacent three-day periods."
That indicates the Cracked piece was misleading, the daytime temperature increased one degree, but the nightime temperature decreased one degree.

"There's nothing to see here. Move along" (paraphrased): BBC - Climate Change: The Blog of Bloom: 9/11 research challenged: contrails aren't turning up the heat
They studied contrails one kilometer in width and larger, said their influence would need to be one hundred times as large to have any real affect, but are probably three times as significant as the data suggests. So, 1/33rd of enough to make a difference: https://earthdata.nasa.gov/user-reso...l-of-contrails
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James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, and colleagues ran models that increased the contrail coverage in Minnis's study by a factor of five. Even with this significant increase, Hansen's team found that global mean temperature change was in the neighborhood of 0.03C (0.05F)—a minute amount.
NOVA - Official Website | The Contrail Effect

Researchers noticed a difference after September 11th, but that was only three days. We needed to look longer. Our results were similar: Jet contrails affect surface temperatures | Penn State University

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