The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

The climate changes for various reasons - and we know through science that we humans are changing it now.

Is that before or after noaa, ipcc and various universities manipulated the temperature data?

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by freebeard

NeilBlanchard — Between [Today, 05:19 AM] and [Today, 05:26 AM] you seem to have had a depressive episode. I hope your day goes better.

I'm fine, thanks. I am discussing the facts of the situation.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Is that before or after noaa, ipcc and various universities manipulated the temperature data?

So, you are a conspiracy theorist, then.

I am talking about facts, and science.

The so-called permafrost - is melting, and Arctic ice, Antarctic ice, and Greenland ice is melting. Sea level is rising. The ocean is getting more acidic.

That's reality.

[freebeard]

Facts are the raw material that human intellect uses to construct generalized principles. Per Bucky Fuller.

A conspiracy theorist constructs theories, a conspiracy analyst deconstructs them.

[sendler]

Cape Town SA is running out of water.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/24/afric...rnd/index.html
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[Xist]

"It is quite unbelievable that a majority of people do not seem to care and are sending all of us headlong towards Day Zero," a statement from the mayor's office said. "We can no longer ask people to stop wasting water. We must force them."

[Lemmy]

Climate is constantly changing, with or without the intervention of humanity. It is possible that it might be changing in a particular direction due to anthropological activity, but without that it would still be changing.

This is why it is called climate, and not same old same old.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Xist

"It is quite unbelievable that a majority of people do not seem to care and are sending all of us headlong towards Day Zero," a statement from the mayor's office said. "We can no longer ask people to stop wasting water. We must force them."

No, if the water is priced to reflect it's scarcity, you don't have to force people to stop wasting it. They will respond to economic incentive.

I'd price the first x units of water at some low rate so it does not pose an undue burden on the poor, and then charge more for amounts that exceed this. How much more would depend on what would be required to achieve the necessary consumption limits.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

So, you are a conspiracy theorist, then.

I am talking about facts, and science.

The so-called permafrost - is melting, and Arctic ice, Antarctic ice, and Greenland ice is melting. Sea level is rising. The ocean is getting more acidic.

That's reality.

The permanent for st is melting?
Good. I would be a lot more worried if it was growing.
Plus the permanent frost had been retreating thousand miles or so for the last 10,000 years.
So there is nothing that will convince me that needs to be worried about.

I'm talking about facts and science too. The fact is the science has been manipulated.

They have been caught 3 times playing with the large scale temperature data. Trying to make it look warmer than it really is.
That beggs the question how long and how many times have they done it and not been caught?

[NeilBlanchard]

The permafrost is melting. It is releasing a LOT of methane and a lot of carbon dioxide.

It contains about TWICE the carbon that is already in the atmosphere. So, it is a VERY strong feedback loop, that could trigger other feedback loops.

If you're okay with that, then you are not understanding what it means.

Lemmy - we know from the evidence that we humans are disruptive changes. Very rapid changes are very hard to adapt to, and are already causing the sixth great extinction.

Our children will curse us.