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Old 12-04-2012, 11:22 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Yes we still do but maybe I should have said maintain the availabilty, even though its on a limited basis in my area.

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I will check out the TCW3, hopefully it will work on older carbureated fuel systems to.

I don't have time to hunt for it now, but I recall once seeing a comparison showing how much less efficient and more pollutants emitted ethanol based fuel is compared to ethanol free fuel.

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The simple FACT that the auto manufacturers will NOT cover WARRANTY damages caused by using E15 sorta stands & speaks for itself, regardless of why.
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Last I heard, all vehicles post 2001 (I believe) are fine and covered by warranties. Anything pre 2001 may not be.
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ethanol will burn hotter than gasoline so in older engines using valves made with certain metals, it can burn the valves. i would wager that most engines designed in the last 15-20 years would be fine running e15.
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most in the last 20 yrs can run e85 if you are aware of the caveats.
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Yes we still do but maybe I should have said maintain the availabilty, even though its on a limited basis in my area.
i'm not aware of any plan to replace e10 with e15. but who knows, maybe its being considered...?
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...a secret gooberment covert plan to incrementally "inch" us into E85 or Etanol like Brazil?
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Manufacturers on the record against it

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Last I heard, all vehicles post 2001 (I believe) are fine and covered by warranties. Anything pre 2001 may not be.
"Five manufacturers (BMW,Chrysler, Nissan, Toyota and Volkswagen) are on record saying their warranties will not cover fuel-related claims caused by the use of E15. Seven additional automakers (Ford, Honda,Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz and Volvo) have stated that the use of E15 does not comply with the fuel requirements specified in their owner’s manuals and may void warranty coverage.

The only vehicles currently approved by automakers to use E15 are flex-fuel models, 2001 modelyear and newer Porsches, 2012 model-year and newer GM vehicles and 2013 model-year Ford vehicles."




Here is the short article:

http://www.springerpublishing.com/ar.../12-03/t-4.pdf

This is from the local paper I am talking about. Called Tech Center News. The GM Tech Center in Warren is just a few miles away, so this newspaper is at all local establishments.

http://techcenternews.com/

I am taking this articles word for it BTW in terms of the manufacturers stance, I have not looked them up independently.

I guess AAA and the corn lobby run in 2 different circles in Washington.
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I am taking this articles word for it BTW in terms of the manufacturers stance, I have not looked them up independently.

I guess AAA and the corn lobby run in 2 different circles in Washington.
...and, those 2 different circles be: cornpone and corn-whiskey
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The (EPA) recently approved the use of E15 gasoline -- a blend of 15 percent ethanol in a gallon of gasoline. While that may be good news for the nation's farmers, AAA warns that could be bad news for your vehicle's engine.
Not farmers, Monsanto.

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