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 05-17-2018, 12:54 PM #1 (permalink) Cyborg ECU     Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Coastal Southern California Posts: 4,534 Black and Green - '98 Honda Civic DX Coupe Team Honda 90 day: 61.94 mpg (US) Black and Red - '00 Nashbar Custom built eBike 90 day: 3671.43 mpg (US) Thanks: 1,592 Thanked 1,279 Times in 859 Posts Ecomodder parenting So, what are your stories, parents who also ecomod? My daughter has an early interest in engineering--though she wavers sometimes. She want to make money (little mercenary!). Anyway, at 15 and a sophomore in HS she is developing a command of math and chemistry that is enviable from the perspective of a guy like me who never did find the right teachers in those areas of study. I always wanted to know the relevance and always got lame answers. My daughter wants to do the puzzles and master them and "win" (very competitive kid!). She got a perfect score on a chem test yesterday and it precipitated a conversation between us like fe we have had. She denigrated her own knowledge, saying how she had managed to muddle through. Or that she was just lucky. I asked her to explain an example problem. Her mastery of variables in calculating molar mass and how much energy it would take to bring a specific amount of a given liquid to boiling point were impressive. She had data and processes memorized and readily showed me on a scrap of paper. I had two realizations to share with her. First, the the formula was essentially algebra applied in a specific context. Second, I showed her the below animation of a combustion chamber like the one she just saw me dismantle last week in our driveway. We watched 4:12-4:42 repeatedly (on 25% slowmo). I explained the process depicted, relating it to the calculations she is learning as best I could. We discussed how one might calculate the heat energy, the "atmospheres" involved, the boiling point of the coolant, and the proper size and function of elements in the system. We didn't have any specific answers, of course, (too little data and experience) but we got to talk about how math and chem are integrated parts of engineering, so it felt pretty awesome. Most of what I was sharing I had learned through ecomodding. Anyway, it was just such a cool conversation. Plus, she recently broke off a dating thing with a boy in her chem class and got her focus back. She had been talking about how brilliant HE was and trying to be pretty enough. That over-emphasis on the boys is a common path away from math/science success for girls. Now she broke it off and is just focused on developing her skills. Effin' awesome. Have you had experiences like that with young people (not necessarily one's own child)? __________________ See my car's mod & maintenance thread and my electric bicycle's thread for ongoing projects. I will rebuild Black and Green over decades as parts die, until it becomes a different car of roughly the same shape and color. My minimum fuel economy goal is 55 mpg while averaging posted speed limits. I generally top 60 mpg. See also my Honda manual transmission specs thread.
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05-17-2018, 03:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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 Originally Posted by California98Civic Plus, she recently broke off a dating thing with a boy in her chem class and got her focus back. She had been talking about how brilliant HE was and trying to be pretty enough. That over-emphasis on the boys is a common path away from math/science success for girls.
You might point out that there are a LOT of guys in college STEM classes, some of whom would appreciate a woman who shares their interests, so she's likely to be spoiled for choice as far as dating goes. Whereas in the liberal arts &c, women tend to equal if not outnumber guys...

 05-17-2018, 04:02 PM #3 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: northwest of normal Posts: 10,540 Thanks: 2,349 Thanked 3,310 Times in 2,609 Posts My son rode in this when he was growing up: Now he drives a black SRT-8. Where did I go wrong? It sounds like you have yourself a Girl Genius. __________________ . Walk without rhythm and it won't attract the worm. --fatboy slim _________________
 05-17-2018, 05:08 PM #4 (permalink) Plugging In FTW     Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Lakeland Florida Posts: 1,427 Ron Burgundy (retired) - '01 Honda Insight base Gen-1 Insights 90 day: 71.2 mpg (US) High Voltage - '12 Chevrolet Volt Premier Team Volt Last 3: 156.6 mpg (US) Thanks: 101 Thanked 550 Times in 339 Posts Both of my sons drive modded G1 Insights and are members here, so I guess some of the modding bug has been passed on to them __________________ If I only had a dollar for every time I've saved gas . . . wait, I do!
 05-17-2018, 06:56 PM #5 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: northwest of normal Posts: 10,540 Thanks: 2,349 Thanked 3,310 Times in 2,609 Posts Two for two. That's a win. To be fair to my son, I wasn't driving for mileage so much as ticketably-efficient use of the highway system. That probably explains it. He did get a 2-year-old 2012 that was off-lease from a Microsoftie that never put miles on it. So the buy at the bottom of the curve strategy sunk in. __________________ . Walk without rhythm and it won't attract the worm. --fatboy slim _________________
 05-17-2018, 10:16 PM #6 (permalink) MPG Addict     Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: USA Posts: 239 Silver Aero - '04 Honda Civic EX Sedan Automatic 90 day: 41.96 mpg (US) Thanks: 89 Thanked 39 Times in 35 Posts How about the other way - teaching your parents to hypermile? My mom is now getting 27-28 MPG out of the '04 Toyota Sienna (rated 20) and my dad gets close to 40 out of his dealer car ('17 stock Mazda 3 hatchback). __________________ Silver Aero, 2004 Honda Civic EX Sedan Automatic. Daily driver, very little highway driving with mostly short trips. Best single trip: 58.2 MPG (US) / Best day: 57.7 MPG (US). Build thread
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 Originally Posted by mpg_numbers_guy How about the other way - teaching your parents to hypermile? My mom is now getting 27-28 MPG out of the '04 Toyota Sienna (rated 20) and my dad gets close to 40 out of his dealer car ('17 stock Mazda 3 hatchback).
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That is one dream MO-CHINE! My daughter wants a Beemer (which makes me wanna disown her, JK). But at least she has decided she wants me to teach her to drive a manual and do all basic service stuff.
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See my car's mod & maintenance thread and my electric bicycle's thread for ongoing projects. I will rebuild Black and Green over decades as parts die, until it becomes a different car of roughly the same shape and color. My minimum fuel economy goal is 55 mpg while averaging posted speed limits. I generally top 60 mpg. See also my Honda manual transmission specs thread.

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 05-17-2018, 11:16 PM #8 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: northwest of normal Posts: 10,540 Thanks: 2,349 Thanked 3,310 Times in 2,609 Posts Thanks. I miss every VW I couldn't hold onto. Those wheels were on my first one, a black 1958 convertible. I traded them just this year for the diesel Dasher. I think a kid should start with a floorpan and transaxle, and as they finish it think about the motation and body style they want. A salvagable fiberglass dune buggy rebuilt for the street might be a good start. Not a lot of doors and weather seals and upholstery to deal with. Old vs new. __________________ . Walk without rhythm and it won't attract the worm. --fatboy slim _________________
 05-17-2018, 11:30 PM #9 (permalink) Ol' Skooler   Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tyler, TX Posts: 917 Beater Echo - '00 Toyota Echo Team Toyota 90 day: 42.67 mpg (US) Hondizzle - '97 Honda Civic DX 90 day: 45.48 mpg (US) Thanks: 43 Thanked 125 Times in 103 Posts I have two girls, 5 and 7, who are somewhat interested in the fact that I shift. Mostly, though, they hate that I don't have a video player in my car. My eldest loves to help when I work on the car. She handed me tools as I replaced my O2 sensor __________________ '97 Honda Civic DX Coupe 5MT '00 Echo - dead 2/17 '14 Chrysler Town + Country - the better half's car '67 Mustang Convertible - gone 1/17
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 Originally Posted by California98Civic She got a perfect score on a chem test yesterday and it precipitated a conversation between us
Wonderful story! Congratulate her from all of us!!

The extent of my efforts to edumacate my extended family's younguns is offering to explain mechanics to them if they express any hint of interest. So far I've only had one nephew really take the ball and run with it.

(Maybe not coincidentally, he's also the only one of the bunch who actively wanted to learn to drive stick. He also took me up on some eco-driving coaching and did pretty well, though I don't know how much he adopted into his habits.)

Ironically, his sisters are probably doing better than he did in math and science, but so far haven't wanted to learn mechanical/car things, despite a couple of offers. (Their dad, my brother, is a civil engineer... who calls me when the family cars are acting up. )

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