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Old 11-17-2016, 11:57 PM   #1631 (permalink)
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Old 11-18-2016, 12:02 AM   #1632 (permalink)
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Again, the bold points are 84mpg, and safety. I also see the word car, car, car, car over and over. They need to stop those whole lines of thinking and embrace what they are a tricycle, as in motorcycle. Then they can say safer then other motorcycles, more comfortable then other motorcycles. Just like driving a car. Stuff like that won't get them sued and legislated out of existence if they ever do put some on the road.
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We might eventually see, hmmm

This thing could have had less than a 6 month development period
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Again, the bold points are 84mpg, and safety. I also see the word car, car, car, car over and over. They need to stop those whole lines of thinking and embrace what they are a tricycle, as in motorcycle. Then they can say safer then other motorcycles, more comfortable then other motorcycles. Just like driving a car. Stuff like that won't get them sued and legislated out of existence if they ever do put some on the road.
No reason for them to worry, then.
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Old 11-30-2016, 02:28 PM   #1635 (permalink)
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That paragraph mention about the Polaris Slingshot was interesting. Polaris has been available long enough to catch a flaw or two. I wonder if Elio will be ready for a recall. I think a Robin may turn out to be longer lasting.

Today- The Polaris Slingshot Could Be in Real Trouble -- The Motley Fool
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I have never looked at anything Polaris made and thought the word "reliable". Honda and Yamaha yes. I think of Polaris and Kawaski as trying to eek out every once of performance even if detrimental to reliability. I'll take a little less performance, economy, etc. If it means the thing lasts basically forever like my CB or trial bikes. Hopefully Elio will think more about reliability and less about 84mpg.
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Hopefully Elio will think more about reliability and less about 84mpg.
Usually high mpg is also low power.

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Usually high mpg is also low power.

Low power normally = reliable
Well Elio could have just used a simple off the shelf motor with proven reliability and low cost but they chose to build their own whizbang VVT powerhouse. Not just the engine but other aeras they will probably try to do things to shave weight to try and up MPG potential. Not necessarily bad if it ends up holding up under day to day use.

I heard that the Dodge Bros used to work for Ford. They left and started building their own cars that were basically overbuilt. Ford went as light as possible, and as cheaply as possible, but still have good enough quality. Good enough is good as long as you hit that mark, otherwise you have a peice of crap. If you want something to be something 20 years later the Dodge Bros idea is probably better. I heard this rumor again in the musclecar years but with Chrysler vs GM. GM had the money and engineering to get things just strong enough to hold up which help them build a car that many not have had the HP of the Dodge but was just as quick as it was lighter, especially in the drivetrain. Dodge just would stick a Dana 60 and a beefy Torqueflight behind their big guns. I do believe the early Dodge stories to be true but think by the 60's everybody had good engineering. If Dodge was still overbuilding it was by design.

I personally would prefer overbuilding at the expense of some MPG or performance. I have had 2 personal watercraft, a Seadoo XP and a Yamaha Waterside. Both 1995's, both the same CCs. The Seadoo is faster but has eaten it's motor 3 times and is now gone. The Yamaha just starts every spring, runs hours in end however hard you want, gets put away wet, and has never had an issue in 20+ seasons of use.
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