EPA may fine VW

[freebeard]

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes." - Walt Whitman quotes from BrainyQuote.com.

[Baltothewolf]

Originally Posted by Xist

At least two of our members have aftermarket lean burn systems and one removed the environmental systems from his diesel truck.

We are a diverse group with a wide range of priorities.

And I gutted the cats on my Insight. C.A.R.B wants to charge 2k for cats? They can go to hell.

[oldtamiyaphile]

Originally Posted by Vman455

Australia does seem to love diesels more than the US

We often don't really have a choice. If you want/ need a European vehicle, you'll have to buy what the Europeans offer, which in many cases will be diesel only or is some cases a very basic petrol engine in the base model only.

[freebeard]

Well according to Jalopnik, Jack Rickard called it—VW is headed toward an electric future:

An Electric Phaeton Will Lead Volkswagen Into The Future

Now if they interoperate with Teslas Supercharger network, his prediction will have become complete.

Found this in the comments, the Phaeton's trunk hinges:



<drool>

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Why Diesel Needs to Die

Regular Diesel fuel might have its problems, but only an ideologically-blindfold socialist would push for a ban of Diesel engines. Exploring their enhanced adaptability to renewable alternative fuels make more sense.

[RedDevil]

I once nearly passed out in my car, locked in a traffic jam, downwind from some diesel car.
I closed the windows and set the vents to recirculation, but it was too late. I tried opening the windows on the left, right, both, but nothing helped; I was in the perfect wrong spot.
It got so bad that I was about to leave the car when the traffic got moving again and allowed me to breathe.

It was just a car, and not very old one too!
I felt sorry for having owned a diesel car too.

Anyone NOT pushing for a diesel ban is an ideologically blindfolded (or gasmasked?) fillinyourfavouritehatedpoliticalparty!

Fact is, diesel cars do not have to meet the same stringent emission standards as gasoline cars, because if they had to they'd all fail.
Why do we have to put up with a whole fleet of cars that would fail gasoline emissions tests by a large margin?
So even if they make up less that 10% of overall pollution, why put up with that if it can be brought down to just 1% by banning diesels altogether?

[redpoint5]

In the U.S., diesels have to meet the same emission standards as gasoline. Perhaps it's different in the Netherlands. I've never had an issue with diesel exhaust unless it was from someone that modded their fuel mapping to smoke, or has a poor-running older vehicle, usually non-turbo.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

In the U.S., diesels have to meet the same emission standards as gasoline. Perhaps it's different in the Netherlands. I've never had an issue with diesel exhaust unless it was from someone that modded their fuel mapping to smoke, or has a poor-running older vehicle, usually non-turbo.

It is different in Europe. The gap is getting closer, but still remains.
Euro 6 emissions standards: what do they mean for you? | Auto Express

Originally Posted by AutoExpress

The new Euro 6 regulations set different standards for petrol and diesel cars. For diesel cars, they dramatically drop the permitted level of NOx emitted down to a maximum of 80 mg/km compared to the 180 mg/km level that was required for cars to meet the previous Euro 5 emissions standards. The limit for NOx from petrol cars remains at 60mg/km, the same as for the Euro 5 standard.

So yeah.

[freebeard]

Bernstein: The VW Scandal Might Not Hurt Sales As Much As Feared - Bloomberg Business

The larger questions of course are will people learn their lesson about

• diesel as a fuel
• obfuscation via closed-source software

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

Anyone NOT pushing for a diesel ban is an ideologically blindfolded (or gasmasked?) fillinyourfavouritehatedpoliticalparty!

Regular petroleum-based Diesel fuel may be dirty, but there are other alternatives available and economically-viable to replace it, even ethanol can be used in direct-injection engines. Banning the compression-ignition engines, a.k.a. Diesel engines, is a socialist daydream.