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Old 06-29-2011, 10:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
60+ mpg at posted speeds
 
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First 60+ MPG tank

Improved "driving with load" technique (thanks PaleMelanesian) and my modest ignition timing were the only new mods. This was the first full tank under this new regimen.


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Black and Green will be rebuilt over decades as parts die--until it becomes a different car. Goal is only 60-70 mpg at posted speeds. I'm not trying for highest possible mileage.

Calculators: standard deviation, Ohms Law, & drag HP losses.
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Old 06-29-2011, 10:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Congratulations! That's excellent fuel economy by any standard.
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Old 06-30-2011, 06:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Very well done, sir! Keep up the good work.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Very nice. Think you'll hit 70?
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
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60 mpg+ is VERY nice for those big honkin' motors you guys run in those Civics!
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Very nice. Think you'll hit 70?
I'll have to wait and see. I drive a lot of hills, so 60mpg was tough. I'm thinking I might be able to get even more out of DWL technique. I wonder if I can go to 85% load without going into open loop if I keep the timing advance reading at 8 or higher. Does that make any sense technically? Can I use the timing advance, load, and RPM gauges to more precisely identify where open loop kicks in? I think maybe increasing timing advance complements the DWL strategy because the extra advance keeps the timing further into positive territory at low-speed 1300-1500 rpm acceleration. But I'm not much of a mechanic. What do you guys think?

I'm also ready and supplied to do a few more mods and grab a few ounces back from the goblins: reduce the idle speed 8-10%, advance the ignition timing 2 more degrees (total 16 BTDC instead of stock 12), and an airdam. Then there are some maintenance ideas: high flow air filter (old is getting dirty), clean wiring connections to battery and ground a la MetroMPG. Lots to do!
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Black and Green will be rebuilt over decades as parts die--until it becomes a different car. Goal is only 60-70 mpg at posted speeds. I'm not trying for highest possible mileage.

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Old 06-30-2011, 12:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I wouldn't worry about open loop as much as your timing backing off on you. Before you see open loop, the engine will start retarding the timing to avoid knocking.


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