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Old 02-15-2012, 10:31 AM   #11 (permalink)
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What you have with a "two personality" engine is the ability to drive at constant speeds with significantly higher BSFC, while still having available power for passing, merging, and climbing significant grades.

Kind of like having two small engines without the complexity involved.

Combine that with a greater number of gearing choices and you can have low RPM cruising with good economy and higher power for the few times when power is necessary.

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Old 02-18-2012, 11:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Does the turbo run continuously or is it low-compression when cruising?
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That's another unfortunate side-effect of having nearly free gasoline.
There's plenty of cars in Europe in that HP range.
There were even more of them back in the days when our cars weren't as big and heavy as they are now.

Yet we can cope with them, so why can't Americans ?
Safety is not really the issue - just about all European countries have better safety statistics than the US.


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Reviewers of the new Prius C are already harping on it being so slow, and it has 99 hp and electric assist!

Of course, when you're used to testing the kind of big overpowered gas monsters that fill the US roads, and when your fuel is paid for by your readers, the li'l Prius C will lose its attractiveness to the tester who'd rather be in a far less down-to-earth vehicle.


The gas isn't 'free'. we just dont triple the price of it with stupid liberal tax policies.

Why, if it's so great over there....(yeah right) do you really care about what we do over here?

Oh! I just had a thought.....your bitter and want us to have a crappy life like you do!!!!

It's tough driving the world economy.....maybe Greece can step in for a while....oh yeah....

How's all that 'free' socialism working for you today.....?
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Old 02-19-2012, 12:38 AM   #14 (permalink)
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euro is completely right on this.
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euro is completely right on this.
Not quite. The reason gas prices in Europe are so high is because the governments tax it so much to pay for their socialist systems. In America gas drives our economy, drives us around, and makes our world go. So our government subsidizes it to make it cheaper and keep us happy and growing. This has worked out great. We love our cars and thats why we have the biggest auto company in the world.

If you honestly believe the socialism type of society is better, please look at whats happening in Europe right now. Greece is burning. Europe is about ready to crash because of the debt they are in. Its all because they have to pay for all the social programs they give to their citizens. When citizens depend so much on the government, wheres the money come from? Nowhere, and thats why they are in do much debt.

I'll keep my free market capitalist society where you are free to do more with the money you earn. I do not want our country to end up like Europe, its just not American.
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He's right in that because of the fuel prices in each spot, they had thrift forced on them while we have bloated overpowered inefficient hogs and we love to speed all over creation in them, and idle them when we aren't. In spite of what every pickup commercial throughout the '90s and '00s said, we do not need 400HP to cart our butts back and forth to work. Capiche?
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Seems like a great little engine. What are the odds of seeing this engine here in North America ?
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Old 02-19-2012, 05:44 AM   #18 (permalink)
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But seriously... 60 hp is pretty slow for typical US highway speeds, though it's acceptable for urban traffic. Micro-cars with about 60-75 hp get from 0-30 mph in a respectable amount of time (similar to bigger engined cars). It's that slog from 30-60 mph that's the killer.
A bizarre statement as US highway speeds are "legally" below that of Europe where highway speeds are 70-80 mph. And the most common small car in the UK atleast is the Ford Ka, with a massive 59 hp and abundant on motorways.

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I'll keep my free market capitalist society where you are free to do more with the money you earn. I do not want our country to end up like Europe, its just not American
Which would be great, except America is guilty of all the same things as the other failing nations. You still have record debts that need sorting, the difference is you had the economic clout to try and buy your way out of it. But the austerity is coming, and it's coming hard.
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Old 02-19-2012, 06:14 AM   #19 (permalink)
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This has worked out great. We love our cars and thats why we have the biggest auto company in the world.
Which one is that, Toyota or Volkswagen?

High fuel prices are a result of supply and demand. There is high tax, but tax has to come from somewhere and as oil needs to be preserved, that's not a bad target to chose.

Back to the Ford engine.
It will be in Focus sized cars and is a great step forwards. As has already been mentioned by Old mechanic, it has a Bmep of 18.6, which is outstanding and due to the small, very high speed turbo, it should give plenty of usable torque over a very wide rev range.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:38 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Europe with its huge gas taxes is reducing consumption over there while subsidizing cheap gas for US consumers. Thank you Europe for making it cheaper for us to drive huge inefficient vehicles. We couldn't have done without you. Keep up the great work because daddy wants a new V8.

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