Go Back   EcoModder Forum > AltModding > Saving@Home
Register Now
 Register Now


Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-24-2009, 11:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 114

YJ - '89 Wrangler

Galant - '02 Galant LS V6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
"House" for my A/C condensor

The mental midgets who installed the a/c in my house put it on the south side. I would like to build a 3 sided shelter with a roof to keep it in the shade. How much gap should I leave around the sides & top for airflow?

I was going to leave a 6" to 8" gap between the bottom of the "walls" & the ground. i was also thinking of using the Reflectix insulation (foil coated bubble wrap) on the inside of the walls & roof.

Any other suggestions?

Don


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 01:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 179
Thanks: 2
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
from my experience you definitely want plenty of airflow, in fact I'd recommend making the shelter 3-sided, or make 2 walls out of lattice or something. If it exhausts through the top, leave at least a foot above the top and a clear path for that heated air to buzz off. Direct sun is bad, but so's blanketing. You don't need to absolutely shade it though, all the refrigerant needs to do is condense - there's not really any additional benefit to cooling it beyond condensing.

Not super scientific, but as an experiment at my old house I ran a sprinkler on my a/c condenser to see if supercooling it with water would increase effectiveness, by measuring the temperature of the cooling vent nearest the evaporator inside my house. It was 58 degrees during the half hour I was watering it, and 58 degrees for the remainder of the day that I wasn't watering it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 02:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
Who
UnderModded
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Jose
Posts: 319

Pablo - '07 Santa Fe AWD
90 day: 23.62 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Can you do louvres on the 3 sides inside of solid surfaces?
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 03:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
PaleMelanesian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 640

PaleCivic - '96 Civic DX Sedan
Team Honda
90 day: 71.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
What about making 3 sides tall enough to shade it while still leaving the top open?

Louvers - I like.
__________________
- - - - -Best 10-mile commute: 87.7 mpg
- - - - -Best tank: 77.2 mpg / 935 miles
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 05:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northeast Ohio
Posts: 114

YJ - '89 Wrangler

Galant - '02 Galant LS V6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
I could make "shutter" like sides to try & match the stupid fake shutters on the house already. That would leave enough airflow on the sides & top yet still shade the unit.

2x2's for the vertical corners. I could hinge the top to fold back over, & hinge the sides to fold flat. Easier to store for the winter.

Dang you guys are smart. I'll try to remember to take pictures & post them.

I don't think my wife would appreciate the louvred stainless sheets as much as I would.

Shovel,
Someone, either Plow & Hearth or Gardner's is selling a device that you attach to your garden hose that mists your condensor when ever the motor kicks on. Due to the evaporation it passes cooler air over the coils & shorten the time the condensor runs. I don't think it would reduce the temp inside unless it is very hot. It works better the lower the humidity (water evaporates better).

Thank you,
Don
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 06:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
PaleMelanesian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 640

PaleCivic - '96 Civic DX Sedan
Team Honda
90 day: 71.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 8
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Someone tested one of those units and it ended up leaving mineral deposits on the coils. I was going to install one until I saw those results.
__________________
- - - - -Best 10-mile commute: 87.7 mpg
- - - - -Best tank: 77.2 mpg / 935 miles
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 06:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 179
Thanks: 2
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonR View Post
Someone, either Plow & Hearth or Gardner's is selling a device that you attach to your garden hose that mists your condensor when ever the motor kicks on. Due to the evaporation it passes cooler air over the coils & shorten the time the condensor runs. I don't think it would reduce the temp inside unless it is very hot. It works better the lower the humidity (water evaporates better).

I don't doubt that someone sells such a device, just like someone sells those blasted tornado wallet lighteners for your car

however once the refrigerant has changed state it's done its job, cooling it more won't improve its efficiency. if more btu's were being exchanged, the vent temperature would have been cooler.

my only motivation for housing the a/c condenser is to keep the absorbed radiant heat from the sun from preventing condensation inside the condenser (as opposed to the ambient temperature of the air in the shade which wouldn't get half as hot)
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2009, 10:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Irving, TX
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonR View Post
Shovel,
Someone, either Plow & Hearth or Gardner's is selling a device that you attach to your garden hose that mists your condensor when ever the motor kicks on. Due to the evaporation it passes cooler air over the coils & shorten the time the condensor runs. I don't think it would reduce the temp inside unless it is very hot. It works better the lower the humidity (water evaporates better).

Thank you,
Don
I can confirm that this misting does help on reducing the condenser power consumption during operation. (It does not shorten the time, just the power consumption.) In fact it is most effective if the mist hits the coil before it evaporates. The downside is, as mentioned below, the deposit that accumulates on the coil because the water is not perfectly pure.
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Keep A/C from running when you don't need it. TeamCF EcoModding Central 13 04-06-2009 01:55 PM
A/C cycling idea Tony Raine EcoModding Central 5 08-26-2008 04:59 PM
How to use your A/C more efficiently gascort Hypermiling / EcoDriver's Ed 7 08-07-2008 11:36 PM
A/C Recirc trikkonceptz EcoModding Central 5 07-31-2008 10:49 AM
Better fuel economy with windows cracked, or A/C? dann_04 General Efficiency Discussion 3 07-31-2008 12:26 AM




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com