Hybrid sports cars?

[freebeard]

ksa8907 — https://duckduckgo.com/?q=prius+gt+300

It's been run in Japan's Super GT classes since 2016. Mid-V-8 in a Prius shell.


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[vskid3]

Originally Posted by Stubby79

CRZ is about the only thing that comes to my mind...and it's no powerhouse.

The funny thing is both the Accord Hybrid and Volt have quicker acceleration, at least twice as many seats, and deliver at least the same fuel economy. Handling and small size are about all the CR-Z has going for it.

Batteries are probably the biggest limitation for most hybrids. My Prius' battery can only output about 20kw, while the motor (motors? not sure if it's one or both) is rated at 50kw.

Ford is working on a Mustang Hybrid. It'll be interesting to see what kind of performance it'll have, both speed and efficiency.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

...because building things with the intention of rarely using them is very inefficient.

I don't know about that. I rarely use the brakes in my car, but I'm glad they're there. And I suspect most cars will go from showroom to junkyard without ever using the airbags :-)

And what exactly is "rarely". Say your electric range is 40 miles, but most of your trips are 45-50 miles. You'd have an engine that's rarely used, but which makes the vehicle practical.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by jamesqf

I don't know about that. I rarely use the brakes in my car, but I'm glad they're there. And I suspect most cars will go from showroom to junkyard without ever using the airbags :-)

And what exactly is "rarely". Say your electric range is 40 miles, but most of your trips are 45-50 miles. You'd have an engine that's rarely used, but which makes the vehicle practical.

You running for most disagreeable person on Earth award, or most absurd analogies, or simply make a sport of taking things out of context?

[ksa8907]

Originally Posted by jamesqf

I don't know about that. I rarely use the brakes in my car, but I'm glad they're there. And I suspect most cars will go from showroom to junkyard without ever using the airbags :-)

And what exactly is "rarely". Say your electric range is 40 miles, but most of your trips are 45-50 miles. You'd have an engine that's rarely used, but which makes the vehicle practical.

Just because it is practical or safe doesn't mean it is efficient.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

You running for most disagreeable person on Earth award, or most absurd analogies, or simply make a sport of taking things out of context?

I only disagree with things that are (IMHO) really dumb :-) If the analogy is not great, feel free to find a better one - I certainly am not claiming to be writing great literature here :-)

I think my point stands. There are a good number of people whose usual trips exceed the 40 miles or so battery range I mentioned, or the IIRC 60-80 miles of a Leaf, or even the ~200 miles of a Tesla. Adding the hybrid engine gives these people a practical vehicle that's more efficient than a non-hybrid.

[Angel And The Wolf]

I asked a Toyota salesman why they didn't bring back the MR2 in Hybrid form for a sporty daily commuter.

[elhigh]

Originally Posted by Angel And The Wolf

I asked a Toyota salesman why they didn't bring back the MR2 in Hybrid form for a sporty daily commuter.

I was wondering that myself. Prius drivetrain midships, battery pack under the seat. All the weight at the center of the car for fantastic handling. A stock Prius makes the 60 sprint in about 10 seconds but it also weighs over 3000 pounds. Create a 2000-lb MRe (Mister E!) and the modest power will nevertheless be sufficient to make an entertainingly quick car. You could use the entire front subframe and just bolt it to a new chassis like Pontiac did for the Fiero. Just lock up the steering gear (like AM General did with the Humvee) and it's good to go - or spend a modest amount of development dollars to eliminate the steering bits and save some unsprung weight.

[MetroMPG]

Originally Posted by elhigh

You could use the entire front subframe and just bolt it to a new chassis like Pontiac did for the Fiero.

Fiero hybrid!


http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...iero-9156.html

[vskid3]

Originally Posted by elhigh

I was wondering that myself. Prius drivetrain midships, battery pack under the seat. All the weight at the center of the car for fantastic handling. A stock Prius makes the 60 sprint in about 10 seconds but it also weighs over 3000 pounds. Create a 2000-lb MRe (Mister E!) and the modest power will nevertheless be sufficient to make an entertainingly quick car. You could use the entire front subframe and just bolt it to a new chassis like Pontiac did for the Fiero. Just lock up the steering gear (like AM General did with the Humvee) and it's good to go - or spend a modest amount of development dollars to eliminate the steering bits and save some unsprung weight.

Why not go all out and use a Camry Hybrid drivetrain? They'll do 0-60 in about 7 seconds and weigh about 3500lbs. MR2 would probably be 1000lbs less, so 0-60 would probably be in the 5 second range.

Or for maximum ridiculousness, 300HP AWD Highlander Hybrid drivetrain. ICE in the back, motor up front.