Hydrogen Generator Experiment

[Dr. Jerryrigger]

Originally Posted by oldbeaver

I made my own kit of a very hard iron, very heavy, and expensive.
It produced a lot of HOH gas

Please give all the data you can. How much gas? What wattage was is using? If you can please do some mpg testing.

[oldbeaver]

Sorry, I typed a long answer to you, twice, and it was lost by the system, and I was logged out.

All my effort for you was lost, TWICE.

I will not type it for a third time.

Oldbeaver

[cfg83]

oldbeaver -

Sorry about that. What browser are you using? If you are having logout problems, please check the "Remember Me" box when you login. That stops the auto-logout for most users.

When I have long posts I usually type them in a Notepad and then copy-paste them into my reply.

CarloSW2

[Frank Lee]

After losing several long, involved, researched, carefully composed compositions to cyberspace I got in the habit of making long compositions either in MS Word, or in a draft in my email.

[cfg83]

Frank -

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

After losing several long, involved, researched, carefully composed compositions to cyberspace I got in the habit of making long compositions either in MS Word, or in a draft in my email.

Yes, that's good advice and practice in general. From my understanding this forum is using off-the-shelf software, so a percentage of the problems you see here are true for many forums.

CarloSW2

[Dr. Jerryrigger]

Originally Posted by oldbeaver

Sorry, I typed a long answer to you, twice, and it was lost by the system, and I was logged out.

All my effort for you was lost, TWICE.

I will not type it for a third time.

Oldbeaver

Sorry to hear that. It's happened to me a few times. My trick is to copy the post so I can paste it if something goes wrong.
If you feel like writing it for a third time, I'd really like to read it.

[tangomar]

Here, just to add more gasoline to the fire!
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[oldbeaver]

Here are my results building and testing HHO systems in my car.

First, lot of people claim high gains with this system. Other people gave Thermodynamics explanations that concluded it is impossible to get power gains with the system.

This attracted me as I am a DIY kind of guy. I decided to build my own system.

I constructed two HOH systems myself.

First system:

The first followed the plans sold in the Internet. It consumed 30 A and produced bubles . However, rpm of the car slowed down when connected. This means it took more energy from the car (through the battery) than the energy it added as HOH gas combustion.
The engine was a Nissan aspirated diesel of 1996.
Additional problems: the system warmed up a lot, then the current consumption overflow the ammeter capacity. The stainless steel used here corroded after three loads of NAOH solution.
It was impossible to run a complete tank of diesel as water evaporated.

Second system:

Then I decided to construct a second system, following instructions of an engineer from the Internet. Then I used a special, very hard, very heavy, very expensive stainless steel.
Making holes broke my tools ten times here.
After assembling and installed in the car, this system produced about five times more HOH gas, and used only half the electricity from the battery. So it was 10 times more efficient than previous system.
However, even though, when connected the engine slowed down, so there was a negative gain of energy too. If it was producing more bang the engine would have accelerated.
Additional problems:
Water didnn´t evaporate so quickly, but production of gas was so much that I had to attach a 12V pump to blow solution to the bubbler. Otherwise, gas becomes to push down the gas in the electrolysis device.
I wanted to sell this device to a truck transport company, but as it didn´t increase power, it wouldn´t increase fuel miling too.
It was impossible to complete a full tank with this system too, not because evaporation or consumption of water, but for foam formation, due to the pumping.

Conclusion: This do not work as claimed by sellers. At all.

I have pictures of the seond system and the system itself.

Oldbeaver

[richtate]

The basic issue is that the computer control module (ECM) will add fuel as the Oxygen sensor senses cleaner exhaust. As you know, the leaner a system burns the higher the NOX. I've seen these systems work on small engines (i.e. lawnmower engines) with no ECM, and run well. But place that same system into a vehicle that is x10 the displacement and has an ECM and it never works.

My brother owns a trucking company in OKC and he hired a company to retrofit his semi, but the only result was a clean exhaust. Without the HHO system the semi bellows black smoke but with the system there was no black smoke. But there was no mpg gains either. They adjusted the ECM (yes diesels have them too) but it isn't worth paying the large expense of the system just to clean up the exhaust with no payback. At the same time they took a smaller system and put it in his company pickup truck, Titan V8. Even with missing around with the ECM and tricking the mass air flow sensor, never saw a 1.10th of an mpg gain.

[UFO]

Black smoke is unburned fuel, and will indicate lower mileage.