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Old 11-14-2012, 07:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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As Rome rose to predominance, the planet was entering a warming period like now. The Romans conquered Britain, and due to the warmer weather, grew wine grapes (the Romans loved their wine).

When the warming period ended, northern tribes moved south due to the inability to grow native crops. People from Saxony and other northern German tribes migrated to Britain. And wine had to be imported through trading centers like Tinatagel (the legendary birthplace of Kin Arthur). Britains drank beer and mead.

And the dark ages remained in place until the end of the ninth century. And the "High Middle Ages" began. Things warmed up, swamps dried up, people had enough food, and disease waned. And Britain again developed a wine industry. In fact, it almost caused a war between France and England. The wealthy winery owners petitioned the king to put an embargo on English wine.

Then the thirteenth century came along, and it got cold again. People began to starve as crops could not grow in the colder climate. The weakened populace were easy prey for the plague. And again, the wine stopped flowing. People began to drink alcohol from grains again. But this time, a new science that preceded chemistry was in play, and the drink became harder. Scotch was made in one of the coldest and most inhospitable places in Britain.

By the second half of the nineteenth century, the place began to warm up again. But by then, science and industry had solve the problems of dealing with the cold climate. Crops grew in the upper half oh Europe, Russia, the USA. The whole world had adapted this time.

As of 2007, England is making wine again.

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As Rome rose to predominance, the planet was entering a warming period like now.
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I see we have people who are not fans of preindustial age climate change.

History has shown us a cooler climate only results in more famine and petulance.
So why anyone would wish for cooler climate with more famine and petulance seems to defy all logic.
 
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Petulance?
 
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At the individual level its the irritation and distraction that being cold, hungry, not knowing when your next meal will be or having to eat bugs or tree bark provides.
At society's level over time it could lead to an angry and frustrated populas that turns to to rioting or ill conceived government actions possibly starting a war.
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I think post #4 pretty much shut it down.
Nope, probably just another news piece from a "well respected, independent source" like the WWF or GreenPeace.

Or perhaps from a well respected broadcaster not unduly influenced by these non-expert NGOs (although claiming they only "refer to scientists") who spent 000s refusing FOI appeals on it even though someone just found it on the wayback machine.

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...As of 2007, England is making wine again.
Oh baggah. Have you ever tasted English wine ?
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Info from people NOT affiliated with right-wing think(?) tanks.....

Global Warming | Union of Concerned Scientists

Global Warming

The Earth is warming and human activity is the primary cause. Climate disruptions put our food and water supply at risk, endanger our health, jeopardize our national security, and threaten other basic human needs. Some impacts—such as record high temperatures, melting glaciers, and severe flooding and droughts—are already becoming increasingly common across the country and around the world. So far, our national leaders are failing to act quickly to reduce heat-trapping emissions.

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Global Warming Contrarians

Why has it been so difficult to achieve meaningful solutions? Media pundits, partisan think tanks, and special interest groups funded by fossil fuel and related industries raise doubts about the truth of global warming. These deniers downplay and distort the evidence of climate change, demand policies that allow industries to continue polluting, and attempt to undercut existing pollution standards. UCS fights misrepresentations of global warming, providing sound, science-based evidence to set the record straight.

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Remember: it is difficult to distinguish between the indoctrinated and the ignorant on a forum and those who are misinformation/disinformation specialists who may be paid to misinform.

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Remember: it is difficult to distinguish between the indoctrinated and the ignorant on a forum and those who are misinformation/disinformation specialists who may be paid to misinform.

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So are you being paid for this ? Wow - where do I apply.
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I SAID it was difficult. If you show me your pay stub...I'll show you mine.

Except my posts are derived from my own opinions and not much else...though most probably have little real effect. That's why I try to put the emphasis on making real substantive changes in my own life where possible. That is what is really difficult. Like getting off my *ss and exercising....
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I SAID it was difficult. If you show me your pay stub...I'll show you mine.

Except my posts are derived from my own opinions and not much else...though most probably have little real effect. That's why I try to put the emphasis on making real substantive changes in my own life where possible. That is what is really difficult. Like getting off my *ss and exercising....
The only post you have used your owns words was to callout those who disagreed with you calling them ingnorant and misinformed at best. And I even smelled the distinct tone of religous superiority in those words... embarassing.

You drive a 86 K20 truck that kicks out so many emissions I bet your Focus could run on the unburnt gas. So franky, you don't really care about emissions.

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism - Yahoo! News

The geological timescale to make a proper understanding of what is happening on earth will take much much longer to understand than the limited timeframe of observations the scientists have at their discretion. And those scientists should know that.

I don't have to worry about your paycheck, because I know where the scientists are getting theirs. From likeminded individuals who are bankrolling their studies.

There is only one conclusion to make when you start with the answer and look for data to support it.

 
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