Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > General Efficiency Discussion
Register Now
 Register Now

Now available from EcoModder: ScanGauge II fuel economy gauge.  Click for details.  

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-27-2008, 03:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
EcoModder
 
SirKeats's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 111

GeRide - '89 Metro *XFi
90 day: 54.26 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just confirming - warmer air on EFI

From the looks of the posts on warm air intake on an EFI engine (such as my '89 metro)... it does not result in a significant increase in mpgs. Is that correct?

Just wondering if I should disconnect the ducting currently in place from the passenger-side wheel-well to the air-filter housing or not.

Based on what I've read, it doesn't look as though this would help me any in my EFI engine.

Sound about right?


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2008, 04:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
EcoModding Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Southern Ontario
Posts: 284

Parachute - '03 Tracker LX
90 day: 28.55 mpg (US)

Peon - '95 Neon Highline baby!
90 day: 31.39 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
I've been looking at this too, and I think the concensus is that you have to try it yourself and see what happens. I think some cars can have hotter air without retarding timing but others retard with a WAI canceling any benefits.

My Neon has a warm air intake stock pulling air from the middle of the engine bay, the scangauge tells me this tends to be 50F higher than ambient on the highway. I was thinking of ducting it so the intake pulls through the rad directly probably making the intake temp 90 or 100F over current temps. I'll have to collect some data on the ignition timing, rpm, TPS, and current temps and then try the switch to hotter air.
Ian
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2008, 02:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
Hybrid Student Driver
 
RH77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kansas City Area
Posts: 1,715

Teggy - '98 Integra LS
90 day: 33.02 mpg (US)

IMA - '010 Insight EX
Team Honda
90 day: 45.43 mpg (US)

Tessie - '06 TSX Base
90 day: 28.83 mpg (US)
Thanks: 22
Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyIan View Post
I've been looking at this too, and I think the concensus is that you have to try it yourself and see what happens.
Precisely. It requires testing to each engine's ECU mapping to gain a perspective. Most brands differ, so it's up to the user to test hot, warm, and cold air for FE changes. The A-B-A method is preferred, as this method insists on comparing the the change vs. baseline, under similar conditions, and are reproducible. Essentially the "Scientific Method" is what sets us apart from "quick fixes" and scams.

If this is done, we encourage sharing of the results

RH77
__________________
Supporting those devastated by the Joplin Tornado
EF5 / 22-May-2011


_
_
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2008, 08:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
Hi-Tech Redneck
 
Johnny Mullet's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ashtabula, Ohio
Posts: 1,411

Christine - '98 Metro Base
90 day: 62.59 mpg (US)
Thanks: 5
Thanked 32 Times in 27 Posts
Send a message via AIM to Johnny Mullet Send a message via MSN to Johnny Mullet
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirKeats View Post
From the looks of the posts on warm air intake on an EFI engine (such as my '89 metro)

Just wondering if I should disconnect the ducting currently in place from the passenger-side wheel-well to the air-filter housing or not.
That was the first part of my weight reduction program

I removed the hose, the adapter on the cleaner housing, and all the ducting from the fender well. I cannot say if this made anything bettor or not because I simply don't notice, but the engine sounds better in my opinion.

I found a video about this. Here you go.......................


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Honda IACV explained TomO Off-Topic Tech 10 11-25-2011 12:59 PM
Conversion idea, 2L inline 4 -> piston boosted 1.0L 2 banger? Warning....Long thread JoJotheTireMan EcoModding Central 56 06-12-2011 03:09 AM
The Mechanism Behind Flow Separation LostCause Aerodynamics 46 07-15-2010 07:38 AM
Comparing Warm Air Intakes (WAI) & Cold Air Intakes (CAI) toomuch EcoModding Central 22 04-07-2009 09:30 PM
OEM Air Injection, Yay or nay? Dane-ger EcoModding Central 11 01-14-2008 10:05 AM




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com