Looking for tester for new lightweight battery

[roflwaffle]

Originally Posted by Funny

Edit: I just checked out the site! See it here Those are some expensive Lithium Batteries guys...

Lithium Iron stuff ain't too bad. You can get it here for ~$600/kWh. The prices from VoltPhreaks seem to be over ten times that per kWh, so I guess they're charging the extra for case/BMS/charger?

Edit- They offer individual cells for ~$1000/kWh, which seems to be in line w/ current prices give or take.

[tonytieger]

Originally Posted by tonytieger

Hi all,

My first post here, this is Tony from Voltphreaks. We've developed a lightweight battery for alternatorless applications, and are looking for someone on here to potentially test it for any mileage gains (the battery itself doesn't need testing, this is only testing for mileage gains). Please PM me if you are interested, you would need to be able to measure mileage before and after, and be fairly knowledgable about batteries in general, thanks! - Tony

Want to add, we would require a $1000 deposit, which would be refunded 100% upon return of the battery. I know this may well rule out all testers, unfortunately we've had a few testers not return their batteries. We're be doing our own tests and I can let anyone know the results if interested.

- Tony

[MetroMPG]

I can understand the dilemma a small business faces lending out expensive products that may not be returned. But I decided not to participate.

Good luck with your testing, Tony.

Hope you'll aim for somewhat rigorous A-B-A methodology, and let us know how it goes.

[Funny]

Originally Posted by tonytieger

Want to add, we would require a $1000 deposit, which would be refunded 100% upon return of the battery. I know this may well rule out all testers, unfortunately we've had a few testers not return their batteries. We're be doing our own tests and I can let anyone know the results if interested.

- Tony

I am not sure of how many of us Ecomodders who use cardboard and political signs to aerodynamically modify our vehicle, or go to junkyards in our spare time to find the elusive parts for our decade old or older rolling parts bins, have the capital for such a deposit. This site is a gathering of people of many walks of life, though most of us utilize the most inexpensive options at our desposal.

I may speak for myself, but I genuinely feel that you and your associates have developed a flinch from being burned by untrustworthy, so-called testers, who don't have the class of the caliber of people welcome on this forum. Swindled by people who could care less that the results they provide would potentially help thousands of other people, who would otherwise not know of your product, or it's cost to benefit ratio and potential alternative to current technology. I am not condeming your efforts, I just fear you may not get the turnout you are looking for.

Perhaps an act of good faith to our co-founder Darin, aka MetroMPG, would help ease our skepticism of laying a grand on the table. Many of us are willing to test your batteries. A deposit is a reasonable request, but a thousand dollars is worthy of putting a bid on a house. Good luck with your testing Tony, and I wait anxiously for the results of such testing.
-Funny- Massachusetts, USA

[tonytieger]

Originally Posted by Funny

I am not sure of how many of us Ecomodders who use cardboard and political signs to aerodynamically modify our vehicle, or go to junkyards in our spare time to find the elusive parts for our decade old or older rolling parts bins, have the capital for such a deposit. This site is a gathering of people of many walks of life, though most of us utilize the most inexpensive options at our desposal.

I may speak for myself, but I genuinely feel that you and your associates have developed a flinch from being burned by untrustworthy, so-called testers, who don't have the class of the caliber of people welcome on this forum. Swindled by people who could care less that the results they provide would potentially help thousands of other people, who would otherwise not know of your product, or it's cost to benefit ratio and potential alternative to current technology. I am not condeming your efforts, I just fear you may not get the turnout you are looking for.

Perhaps an act of good faith to our co-founder Darin, aka MetroMPG, would help ease our skepticism of laying a grand on the table. Many of us are willing to test your batteries. A deposit is a reasonable request, but a thousand dollars is worthy of putting a bid on a house. Good luck with your testing Tony, and I wait anxiously for the results of such testing.
-Funny- Massachusetts, USA

Hi Funny,

Unfortunately this technology is still very expensive, and as a mileage gain device, it's probably not worth it. I've read up on some of MetroMPG's posts (very informative and good reading!). So, thought I'd add some thoughts that might help. The voltage sag that results when running alternator-less is an issue, but something that might help is a voltage step-up/regulator. You'd bypass the starter, but run everything else off of it. It might even result in better performance than using the stock alternator, something like this:

Auto-Physics* Volt-Master 12/16V Home

(note we aren't associated or have tried the above product, just using it as an example).

Or, try using a 16V battery, drag racers have been using them in total loss (alternator-less) applications.

- Tony