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Old 08-18-2017, 12:25 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Not at the bottom of your bill you don't.
Are you talking about the service charge? That's based on the length of the billing period, not consumption. Do you have no service charge?

I walked down to the mailbox and got the current bill. In addition to the service charge there was 304kWh @ 0.054 per for a total of $16.42. The big city next door and the rest of PWN is about $0.11/kWh.

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Old 08-18-2017, 01:31 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm at $0.08041/kWh, and $12/mo connection fee.

Latest bill for my 4 person household (wife, 2 roommates). It's been a hot July, so there was some AC use.

In 28 days you used 497 kwh
Present reading - 08/11/17 88698
Previous reading - 07/14/17 - 88201
Total electric usage 497
Your charge for 497 kwh is:
Basic service $12.00
497 kwh @ 8.16 cents each 40.56
REP Credit @ 0.119 cents/kwh* -0.59
Total electric service $51.97
Your average daily cost was $1.86
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Old 08-18-2017, 02:28 AM   #23 (permalink)
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My daily electricity bill, here in Scotland with our coal, oil, hydro and wind power, is £4.40/$5.67. We are a two person family with no A/C.
It won't take much for solar to beat that. Except, because of the price of electricity, I am not in a position to afford solar panels!
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It would be the biggest tax on the poor and middle class you could think of,
I disagree, we have had 50mpg+ cars for over 30 years. It would not be a tax on low incomes, it would be a tax on poor decisions.

And high mpg cars are cheaper than low mpg cars, further making it nonsensical to call it a tax on the poor.
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In 28 days you used 497 kwh
Total electric service $51.97
Your average daily cost was $1.86
51.97/497=$0.105 per kWh
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This is what you paid for your electricity.
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My bill is itemized also. So from now on I will just quote the cost of generation and throw out all of the line fees, taxes, and service fees to report $0.03783. So I can feel happier about it. And mislead the discussion. Instead of the actual .1360 that I am really paying at the bottom of the bill.
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$58.26/ 428 kWh = $0.1360
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I have comparatively cheap electricity at $0.13/ kWh compared to many other places in the world. That is equivalent to to gas at $4.40.
It may be theoretically equivalent to gas at $4.40 a gallon, but considering that a typical gasoline engine only manages to extract about 11kWh out of a gallon of gas, you're paying for electricity at a rate of about $1.45 per gallon if you're planning to use that electricity to power a car.
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I disagree, we have had 50mpg+ cars for over 30 years. It would not be a tax on low incomes, it would be a tax on poor decisions.

And high mpg cars are cheaper than low mpg cars, further making it nonsensical to call it a tax on the poor.
It hurts the poor the most. It's not just their individual car, food and other necessity prices will go up as well. But just look at the car. If you doubled or tripled the price of a gallon of gas with tax you double or triple the hit to the budget for gas. No big deal when you can afford the real estate prices that get higher the closer you get to good jobs. No big deal when that budget is a tiny fraction of your overall budget. No big deal when you buy a new or newer car every few years. The family priced into a home with a hour commute making average wages driving an average car it is a huge deal. Maybe we can get them all into some kind of government project housing in the middle of big cities. Yeah that's the life.
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So I can feel happier about it. And mislead the discussion.


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The climate benefits of solar and wind power were hefty, but the majority of the benefit came from air quality improvements. The climate benefit estimates ranged from $5 billion to $106 billion, with an additional $30 billion to $113 billion in air quality and public health benefits. And that’s just the estimated economic benefits of the averted 3,000 to 12,000 premature deaths—it doesn't count things like sub-lethal medical issues and lost productivity, much less the personal benefits to individual lives.
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It hurts the poor the most. It's not just their individual car, food and other necessity prices will go up as well. But just look at the car.
You give back subsidies and lower taxes to the lower and middle class from the revenue that is collected.
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What other way do you propose that we get people to be responsible to the future generations and quit buying huge SUV's? And transition to a lower carbon footprint? If not through a carbon tax. At the fuel pump. And right at the ground.
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