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Old 12-30-2017, 05:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This guy might have never seen a Hyundai Eon (yesterday I saw a red one with Paraguayan plates while I was walking the dog, but was unable to take a picture of it) or those Indian-made Suzukis that are very common in Uruguay. Even though 78hp is not so impressive, I wouldn't consider it "underpowered" at all. Neither would I expect anything so fancy in an appliance-car like that, which might serve quite well for its purpose.


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I prefer Japanese makes, but Mitsubishi and Suzuki are 2 that I don't even consider.
I actually used to like Suzuki back in the day of body-on-frame mini SUVs.

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Old 12-30-2017, 09:18 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Mitsubishi is a vehicle brand I avoid, although I have no experience with the Mirage. The Eclipse was a fairly lame car. I prefer Japanese makes, but Mitsubishi and Suzuki are 2 that I don't even consider. This thing is worse than the Aveo, huh? Even Nissan versa?
As long as it is a 5mt base it would be far more reliable than a versa or Aveo (or metro)

Most reviewers only look at the auto tragic and compare the car to a Bentley as a baseline for fit and finish and a Tesla for acceleration baseline.
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The CVTs have been very reliable in these cars so far. We have a fleet maintenance guy on the forum and he has had one CVT failure so far and the car had 190k hard miles on it.

He later found that there is a replaceable filter (not specced to be changed per the manual), and he has sourced replacement filters for them.
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The CVTs have been very reliable in these cars so far. We have a fleet maintenance guy on the forum and he has had one CVT failure so far and the car had 190k hard miles on it.

He later found that there is a replaceable filter (not specced to be changed per the manual), and he has sourced replacement filters for them.
My point is the auto version of most econoboxes is not as satisfying to drive as the 5mt
And that the Mirage is much more reliable than a versa cvt (Nissan CVTs fail left and right)

The Mirage is likely much more reliable than many cars I can list and it’s unfair to state otherwise
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Old 12-31-2017, 01:07 AM   #15 (permalink)
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My point is the auto version of most econoboxes is not as satisfying to drive as the 5mt
Most econoboxes are not satisfying at all to drive. But anyway, the smallest vehicle with automatic transmission that I ever drove was the Jeep Renegade.


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And that the Mirage is much more reliable than a versa cvt (Nissan CVTs fail left and right)
Ain't both CVTs made by Jatco?


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For many customers who look at the least expensive brand-new car, and are presumably looking out for something that won't require too much maintenance expenses, reliability is a more valuable asset than some fancy trims or all the bells and whistles.
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Most econoboxes are not satisfying at all to drive. But anyway, the smallest vehicle with automatic transmission that I ever drove was the Jeep Renegade.




Ain't both CVTs made by Jatco
The 01 Insight CVT was more reliable than the Civic cvt

Anyway Nissans version of CVT has garnered enough angst
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I wouldn’t doubt a CVT in a 1900 lb car to be more reliable than in a 3200 lb one.
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Most econoboxes are not satisfying at all to drive.
I really enjoyed driving my '08 Honda Fit. It was a hoot!
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I wouldn’t doubt a CVT in a 1900 lb car to be more reliable than in a 3200 lb one.
CVTs have always been reported to perform better under a lower weight and a smaller torque input.
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So... News Flash: You Get What You pay For

The cheapest new car out there doesn't compete with more expensive cars on amenities or performance.

And they don't compete with the cheapest car on price.

Hmmm...
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So, i have read it and the only part that makes sense is the last paragraph where he concludes why would someone buy such a car. The rest is just whining of fastidious consumer. The only valid complain is imho too much illumination from brake light.

But, I am probably too biased. I wonder what would he say about my car. At the time I bought it, even power steering was paid optional accessory (not to mention fog lights, radio, A/C, power windows, or spare wheel).

One thing I do not still understand: You set your rear mirrors and forget it. You re-set them maybe once a year. (at least its what I do). So why should you pay any extra to have it electrically moved?

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