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Old 01-13-2018, 03:58 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Yup, fair review. Though there's a lot of "damning with faint praise" in it!
I know a Mitsubishi-phile that replaced his old Mirage (basically the same things as my Proton) with the new one. He's disappointed to the point of looking for a low milage survivor.

But that braking distance alone would put me off. The Fiat 500 stops from 62 20% quicker.
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I know a Mitsubishi-phile that replaced his old Mirage (basically the same things as my Proton) with the new one. He's disappointed to the point of looking for a low milage survivor.

But that braking distance alone would put me off. The Fiat 500 stops from 62 20% quicker.

Probably due to the hilariously narrow tires. No one to my knowledge makes a "good" super narrow tiny tire like that. So you're very limited on grip. I'd be curious to know the size of tires on the Fiat 500 and compare them. As well as vehicle weight. Probably explains the stopping distance.
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I know a Mitsubishi-phile that replaced his old Mirage (basically the same things as my Proton) with the new one. He's disappointed to the point of looking for a low milage survivor.
The actual replacement for the old Mirage in the current Mitsubishi range is the Lancer. So, could we say such Mitsubishi-phile was misguided by the nameplate?
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Probably due to the hilariously narrow tires. No one to my knowledge makes a "good" super narrow tiny tire like that. So you're very limited on grip. I'd be curious to know the size of tires on the Fiat 500 and compare them. As well as vehicle weight. Probably explains the stopping distance.
The 500's tyres are 20mm wider but the 500 is ~180lbs heavier, and tested at an extra 2mph (in acceleration tests 0-60 in 6 seconds becomes 6.5 to 62). The 500's braking distance is actually close to Porsches and the like.
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Keep in mind Mitsu upgraded brakes in 2017: bigger rotors, different calipers & pad material. Suspension & steering revised as well (noticeable improvement when I drove a 2015 & 2017 back to back).

But the "old" Aussie Mirage was still in a different class than the new car.
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You know, I see a number of 500s on the road, often driven by girls. If girls drive them, they probably think they are cute, but they also seem to think that looking like a dog and habitually saying "literally" are cute.

Are they wasting oxygen or not using enough?

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If girls drive them, they probably think they are cute, but they also seem to think that looking like a dog and habitually saying "literally" are cute.

Are they wasting oxygen or not using enough?
Who knows? Most likely not using enough.
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Who knows? Most likely not using enough.
I don't know but the stupid needs to stop.

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