Mods for speeds 35-45mph?

[mikeb535]

What modifications can be made to increase FE on vehicles with auto trans? That is besides the usual stuff. I.E. Increase tire pressure, lower driving speed etc: Most of my trips are 20-25 mile in length with speeds between 30 and 45mph. The best I can get is 27-29mpg. Would like to get 30+.

Mike

[NeilBlanchard]

Hello Mike,

Are you coasting down hills in neutral? Do you have stop lights where you can turn off the engine? Are you avoiding A/C and daytime lights? You could see some benefit from some aero mods. You might want to get a ScanGauge and use it to maximize your mileage while accelerating.

[Gregte]

Try 0w-30 synthetic motor oil and synthetic tranny oil. It made a difference for me.

[azraelswrd]

Here's how I would order the mod priorities:

1) your driving style/habits
Read the 100+ tips (again)
Get a scangauge (or some other way to get instant feedback on MPG)
reduce idle time
reduce accesory usage (ie A/C)
get to your most efficient speed ASAP

2) engine maintenance
oil/oil filters
spark plugs
fuel type


3) tires
low rolling resistance type
proper air pressure
proper alignment

4) weight reduction
if you don't need it, dump it

5) aero
"smooth" out the car's profile by covering/removing anything that creates bad drag
-grill block
-smooth hubcaps
-belly pan
-front air dam
-rear wheel skirts
-side/front/rear wheel fairings
-wiper wind deflector
-remove passenger side mirror
-remove racks

[mikeb535]

I have done most of the tried and true methods of hypermiling because of the auto trans I do not shut engine down at long lights but do put trans in neutral. I have blocked the front grille on the outside but this would only help at expressway speeds. I use 5-20w full syn eng oil and do not have a lead foot. I have ordered a KIWI and am hoping that it will help me achieve better FE.

Mike

[azraelswrd]

You can shut down the engine at long idles. I use the 10 second rule. It's with forced auto stops and pulse-n-glides that we shouldn't do in AT. Sometimes a lead foot early can be better than a limp foot because you want to get to your highest gear sooner than later.

[Bearleener]

Definitely driving style tweaks will help the most.

Don't underestimate the effect of aerodynamics at low speeds. When I put on my above-bumper grill block I immediately noticed subjectively longer glide times at in-town speeds (60 km/h = 36 mph), whereas at highway speeds the drag effect was actually less noticeable (except that the car feels a lot more stable, less nervous). Even at very low speeds (25 km/h = 15 mph) something's happening because raindrops dripping off the front lip of the hood get blown back toward the windshield, that didn't happen before the grill block. A rule of thumb says that above 60-80 km/h (36 - 48 mph), depending on the car, aerodynamic drag becomes larger than other drag, but that means that below that it's still up to 50% of total drag.

And raising the tire pressure helps, too.

[monkey]

Originally Posted by Bearleener

Definitely driving style tweaks will help the most.

Don't underestimate the effect of aerodynamics at low speeds. When I put on my above-bumper grill block I immediately noticed subjectively longer glide times at in-town speeds (60 km/h = 36 mph), whereas at highway speeds the drag effect was actually less noticeable (except that the car feels a lot more stable, less nervous). Even at very low speeds (25 km/h = 15 mph) something's happening because raindrops dripping off the front lip of the hood get blown back toward the windshield, that didn't happen before the grill block. A rule of thumb says that above 60-80 km/h (36 - 48 mph), depending on the car, aerodynamic drag becomes larger than other drag, but that means that below that it's still up to 50% of total drag.

And raising the tire pressure helps, too.

Wow, Im sold on areodynamic mods now.
Most of my daily commute (40 miles daily total)
is 40 to 50 mph. I need to get started on the front air dam,
and complete underbody pannel.

[NeilBlanchard]

Hi,

Can you post a picture of the front of your car? I'll bet that a grill block and/or blocking some other "features" would help.

[whokilledthejams]

Originally Posted by monkey

Wow, Im sold on areodynamic mods now.
Most of my daily commute (40 miles daily total)
is 40 to 50 mph. I need to get started on the front air dam,
and complete underbody pannel.

My mild aero mods definitely helped at 40-50mph, where almost all of my commute is. In particular, this is a good situation where cheap mods will really pay off, too, since the benefits might not be huge, but they're still there to be had.

[mikeb535]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Hi,

Can you post a picture of the front of your car? I'll bet that a grill block and/or blocking some other "features" would help.

Just added picture to my profile. Don't know how to insert it into body of post.

Mike

[azraelswrd]

You can insert images by uploading to an image hosting site like www.imageshack.com or www.photobucket.com (both free) then posting a link from there to here.

ex:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...tars/shade.gif


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1433/azxatu5.jpg

Results may vary on your aero mods. This is why individual field testing is so important because what a grill block gets for me on my route in my Scion may not be applicable to the gains for Bearleener on his route in his Golf. I also had to take into account of the high temps -- full block had the best GPH gains but I was tripping the electric fan after 20 miles of city and idling drives. I compromised and used an upper block and a mesh for the lower block (which deflects air proportional to the speed I'm traveling).

Unbiased testing with repetition also helps remove any placebo gains that mods may create in a driver's mind.

I've also gotten to the point that I can help my FE by driving a new route. A shorter distance is not worth the hit I take when I have to deal with other drivers and all the lights. (I'm on the prowl to beat 43mpg/tank and humanity is not helping... )