Project: making a permanent Metro Kammback extension

[homeworkhome53]

Some get it, some don't. I want one.

homeworkhome53

[bbjsw10]

Can't Wait to see the MPG numbers from this and I love that EV metro the white one. That is sweet. Too bad I suck at bodywork.

[metroschultz]

Originally Posted by atomicradish

Whether it is effective or not, it looks like quite the eyesore.
Just my .02

You have to look at this mod in the future.
It will be painted to match the car and be smoothed and finished out before that.

FWIW I wouldn't sell my geo now for the going rate, I don't believe MetroMPG would either.

Not to say I wouldn't sell, my price is just way higher than E-Bay right now.

I have a line on another for > $100 USD anyway.

Schultz

[atomicradish]

Originally Posted by metroschultz

You have to look at this mod in the future.
It will be painted to match the car and be smoothed and finished out before that.

FWIW I wouldn't sell my geo now for the going rate, I don't believe MetroMPG would either.

Not to say I wouldn't sell, my price is just way higher than E-Bay right now.

I have a line on another for > $100 USD anyway.

Schultz

I never implied that he was considering selling it...

I said if the time ever comes, which it could happen. We have no way of knowing what kind of situation the future will present us. I also was only asking about the ease in removing it without damaging the car. *IF* it is impossible to remove without damaging the car, I don't understand the rationale behind installing it.

[cfg83]

atomicradish -

Originally Posted by atomicradish

I never implied that he was considering selling it...

I said if the time ever comes, which it could happen. We have no way of knowing what kind of situation the future will present us. I also was only asking about the ease in removing it without damaging the car. *IF* it is impossible to remove without damaging the car, I don't understand the rationale behind installing it.

I understand your desire for "reversible mods". That's also my personal bias. On the same token, I won't bug someone who modifies their car. It's their prerogative. They are being guinea pigs for all of us (that's a good thing).

If you look closely at MetroMPG's other mods, they are very clean. Based on that standard, I am looking forward to the end result.

CarloSW2

[atomicradish]

Originally Posted by cfg83

atomicradish -



I understand your desire for "reversible mods". That's also my personal bias. On the same token, I won't bug someone who modifies their car. It's their prerogative. They are being guinea pigs for all of us (that's a good thing).

If you look closely at MetroMPG's other mods, they are very clean. Based on that standard, I am looking forward to the end result.

CarloSW2

I am absolutely looking forward to the end result as well.

I still stick by my original comment. Forums are a place for feedback, suggestions, and comments. I would never give someone a hard time for modifying his/her own vehicle. However, in the spirit of posting this on a web forum, it is entirely appropriate ask questions and provide suggestions. I think we would be doing each other a complete disservice if we didn't give our honest opinions, provided that we share them in a manner that is respectful to all.

[akcapeco]

Darin has demonstrated that's he's a 'big boy' with the ribbing he gets from his neighbors etc., so I'm sure he's equipped to deal with this kind of solid feedback.

[2003protege]

Originally Posted by atomicradish

it looks like quite the eyesore.

I think any fiberglass part looks hideous before filler/primer/paint. But regardless the kammback is a form-follows-function approach for sure. (I still want one haha)

[RP-CLMBR]

Originally Posted by Cd

So is the Kamm back going to have a hollow cavity or a plexiglass rear window ( the red portion of the image )

If you remember, the UCDavis project car had a small cavity ...but then their .Cd count wasn't exactly impressive for the amount of work that they put into that car.

looks like the same angle as back glass on 88-91 crx hf

[MetroMPG]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Is there any truth to the rumor that the price of cardboard,aluminum foil,and duct-tape are expected to make a big leap?

Thanks for the chuckle! Right up there with copper and lead, I'm sure.

Originally Posted by aerohead

If you pull the front wheel off the bike,could you cheat it under the new lid?

Nah, I'll just stick it inside the hatchback where it belongs.

Originally Posted by brucey

Looking at how big this thing is getting. I'm starting to wonder if fiberglass was the right way to do it.

It was the right way to do it when I was aiming for complex curves. With the simple curves I ended up with (see up the thread for the great stuff foam problems), plastic or plexi would have worked. But I'd already started.

Originally Posted by atomicradish

How easily can this "permanent" Kammback be removed?

It'll be easily removable. I did however drill the hatch to attach mounting brackets last night, so those holes would need to be covered if I ever removed it. I was loath to drill. But... it's in an area that isn't rust prone (the vertical metal above the rear glass), which was my main concern.

Yes, the car is a bit of a time capsule with ridiculously low mileage. But it is just a car, and I'm not planning to sell it, or put it in car shows. So I got over it, plugged in the drill, and pulled the trigger.

Originally Posted by bbjsw10

Can't Wait to see the MPG numbers from this

They're already available. Approx 2% improvement @ 55 mph. Partial Kammback prototype tested - preliminary results