Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now

Now available from EcoModder: ScanGauge II fuel economy gauge.  Click for details.  

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-23-2008, 07:09 PM   #141 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 3,607
Thanks: 870
Thanked 636 Times in 372 Posts
I like the idea,the challenge is to get them to "pop" to the exact dimensions, because the shape is absolutely critical for the tail to work.Also,from the experiments with the inflated boat tail,the thing began to oscillate with periodic shedding of vortices,and I had to run a cantilever strut underneath the thing to keep it from dancing all over the place.I'm afraid the "tent" would do the same thing.I have some carbon fiber fishing poles and golf club shafts I keep looking at.I love the light weight and strength.Just don't know about the straight shaft thing.


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2008, 06:02 PM   #142 (permalink)
Addicted
 
bbjsw10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Findlay,OH
Posts: 555

bbjsw10 - '91 Metro Xfi
90 day: 51.06 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohead View Post
I like the idea,the challenge is to get them to "pop" to the exact dimensions, because the shape is absolutely critical for the tail to work.Also,from the experiments with the inflated boat tail,the thing began to oscillate with periodic shedding of vortices,and I had to run a cantilever strut underneath the thing to keep it from dancing all over the place.I'm afraid the "tent" would do the same thing.I have some carbon fiber fishing poles and golf club shafts I keep looking at.I love the light weight and strength.Just don't know about the straight shaft thing.
Yeah I was wondering about the shaking of it going down road and causing turbulence after I thought about it. Just a random idea I had, who knows maybe it could work, a big maybe. Just seemed the weight and strength would be nice.
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2008, 12:24 AM   #143 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 11,914

Blackfly - '98 Metro
Team Metro
90 day: 67.07 mpg (US)

ForkenSwift - '92 Metro EV
90 day: 107.11 mpg (US)

U.F.O. - '00 Insight
Team Honda
90 day: 83.36 mpg (US)
Thanks: 239
Thanked 848 Times in 471 Posts
I know a guy who does canvas boat tops, so he may have a selection of used frame piping. Some boats use AL, others use stainless... AL might come in handy for a removeable skeleton.

Anyway, after a week's holiday, I was back on the job today. The Kammback was on the car for the duration and it did settle a bit, sagging slightly in the middle at the trailing edge. So today I removed it from the car and glassed in a crossmember on the bottom surface, about 5 inches inboard of the trailing edge (doesn't obstruct rear view. Much better - more solid.

So I can get back to the bodywork tomorrow. Apply, sand, apply, sand...
__________________
Latest project: removable Geo Metro boat tail
Latest test: Massive cardboard air dam on a Geo Metro


www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2008, 05:08 PM   #144 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 3,607
Thanks: 870
Thanked 636 Times in 372 Posts
Aluminum would be great!I've never done heli-arc,but have been told the learning curve is short if you have access to TIG and shielding gas.Someone more clever than I might even come up with a weldless joinery technique(like baby-buggies and bicycle trailers use).Some grades of aluminum are heat-treated and rather stiff and un-malleable.Your friend could probably show you how to anneal it for easy forming without fracture.Enjoy that dusk mask!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2008, 09:20 PM   #145 (permalink)
Pokémoderator
 
cfg83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,502

1999 Saturn SW2 - '99 SW2 Wagon
90 day: 42.23 mpg (US)
Thanks: 340
Thanked 418 Times in 286 Posts
aerohead -

Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohead View Post
I like the idea,the challenge is to get them to "pop" to the exact dimensions, because the shape is absolutely critical for the tail to work.Also,from the experiments with the inflated boat tail,the thing began to oscillate with periodic shedding of vortices,and I had to run a cantilever strut underneath the thing to keep it from dancing all over the place.I'm afraid the "tent" would do the same thing.I have some carbon fiber fishing poles and golf club shafts I keep looking at.I love the light weight and strength.Just don't know about the straight shaft thing.
This doesn't address movement ala popping out, but I was thinking you need something that has all the angles predefined :



I think of the above as something that comes pre-molded in a kite kit. If it had all or at least two of the sockets being "adjustable/lockable in place", then I think you could reliably "rebuild the tent" each time.

Instead of the above, you could just start with a shaped piece of plastic that has all the right holes "drilled in place".

CarloSW2
__________________

What's your EPA MPG? Go Here and find out!
American Solar Energy Society
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2008, 11:42 PM   #146 (permalink)
Dartmouth 2010
 
SVOboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hanover, NH
Posts: 6,414

Vegan Powa! - '91 CRX DX
Team Honda
90 day: 66.52 mpg (US)
Thanks: 92
Thanked 81 Times in 67 Posts
Send a message via AIM to SVOboy Send a message via MSN to SVOboy Send a message via Yahoo to SVOboy Send a message via Skype™ to SVOboy
Moar pictures!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 01:33 AM   #147 (permalink)
EcoModder
 
SirKeats's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 111

GeRide - '89 Metro *XFi
90 day: 54.26 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
if this all works out... you should definitely mold and sell... you certainly will be able to make some good $$. i know i'd buy one!! (assuming i could afford the asking price. lol).
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 01:40 AM   #148 (permalink)
Dartmouth 2010
 
SVOboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hanover, NH
Posts: 6,414

Vegan Powa! - '91 CRX DX
Team Honda
90 day: 66.52 mpg (US)
Thanks: 92
Thanked 81 Times in 67 Posts
Send a message via AIM to SVOboy Send a message via MSN to SVOboy Send a message via Yahoo to SVOboy Send a message via Skype™ to SVOboy
Yeah darin, mold and sell! Mold and sell! Or mold and sell the mold to someone who cares more
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 06:07 AM   #149 (permalink)
What? THIS IS MY GOOD CAR
 
justpassntime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 285

The Japillac - '87 Accord LXi Sedan
90 day: 31.77 mpg (US)

Ranchero GT - '73 Ranchero GT

Spaz - '83 S10 4X4 Tahoe
90 day: 27.53 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to justpassntime
How about building off of a trunk mounted bike rack and boat storage shrink wrap? Don't forget the duct tape so the whole thing doesn't turn into a parachute. For more information on duct tape watch the Red Green Show.
__________________
Honda...the economical, renewable resource.


  Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 07:50 AM   #150 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
akcapeco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Va Beach
Posts: 104

V-strom 650 - '07 DL-650 V-strom
90 day: 55.03 mpg (US)

07 Focus ZXW - '07 Focus ZXW SE
90 day: 30.09 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The chant of the ecomodder: mold and sell!


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread

Thread Tools


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/project-making-permanent-metro-kammback-extension-3518.html
Posted By For Type Date
How To Get 99.7 Mpg From A Geo Metro This thread Refback Yesterday 02:20 PM
Ecomodder News, Videos, Reviews and Gossip - Jalopnik This thread Refback 01-18-2012 06:28 AM
100 mpg News, Videos, Reviews and Gossip - Jalopnik This thread Refback 12-01-2011 11:59 AM
Hypermiling stories - Jalopnik This thread Refback 10-09-2011 05:24 PM
Tuft testing a "Kammback" mockup - Geo Metro aerodynamics - YouTube This thread Refback 08-24-2011 01:35 AM
How To Get 99.7 Mpg From A Geo Metro This thread Refback 03-14-2011 08:37 PM
How To Get 99.7 Mpg From A Geo Metro This thread Refback 03-14-2011 02:02 PM
New car tech that saves on fuel - Sympatico.ca Autos This thread Refback 01-21-2011 01:18 AM
Wow A Best ever MPG! - GasSavers.org - Helping You Save at the Pump Hypermiling and Fuel Efficiency Forum This thread Refback 01-03-2011 02:30 PM
Kammback Creator to be Inducted into Automotive Hall of Fame | CarZilla This thread Refback 12-21-2010 03:32 AM
SerayaMotor.com • View topic - IIMS 2010-Ford Fiesta Review & TD This thread Refback 08-01-2010 11:24 PM
Four cylinders are for chumps - 100 miles-per-gallon in a Geo Metro — Autoblog Green This thread Refback 06-15-2010 01:18 PM
Autoblog Green — We Obsessively Cover The Green Scene This thread Refback 06-15-2010 01:03 PM
Jalopnik: Obsessed With The Cult Of Cars This thread Refback 06-14-2010 02:28 PM
How To Get 99.7 Mpg From A Geo Metro This thread Refback 06-14-2010 02:02 PM
Donderdagavond caption contest: doe het met hout » Autoblog.nl This thread Refback 04-08-2010 04:12 PM
Aerocivic - Honda Civic modifications for maximum gas mileage - aerocivic.com This thread Refback 11-27-2009 02:00 AM
Kamm Back - Overview : Kosmix This thread Refback 10-24-2009 10:39 AM

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why I'm Choosing a Civic Over a Metro Wayneburg General Efficiency Discussion 43 03-02-2011 06:11 PM
Mullet's Metro Project Johnny Mullet EcoModding Central 302 02-06-2011 08:04 PM
Geo Metro XFI Convertible Project Finished Coyote X EcoModding Central 227 11-14-2009 11:31 PM
$10 Metro on Craigslist. Project car, anyone? MetroMPG The Lounge 6 08-31-2009 02:21 AM




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com