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Old 07-16-2016, 08:07 AM   #21 (permalink)
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There are some around... but I've never noticed a non-hybrid auto start until this week.

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Old 07-16-2016, 12:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
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... Or they live in Arizona.
You're obviously not familiar with Northern Arizona. I live 14 miles from a ski area. I rarely use AC in my vehicles.
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In automatic vehicles, stop-start tech means that there's a delay for the vehicle to begin moving (to start the engine) when lifting off the brake pedal. That could be very, very disconcerting to someone used to how automatics drive. (Note that most hybrids (the ones capable of moving under solely electric power) are another story, as they can begin rolling under electric power immediately.)

Manuals, it's actually less intrusive - the engine stops when you put it in neutral and lift off the clutch, and restarts when you press the clutch pedal. So, by the time you've got 1st engaged, and you're releasing the clutch, the engine should be running.
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In automatic vehicles, stop-start tech means that there's a delay for the vehicle to begin moving (to start the engine) when lifting off the brake pedal.
In my previous car pushing the brake pedal hard whilst stationary would hold the car in position even after releasing the pedal (as if the handbrake were on) and the automatic stop/start would shut off the engine. Then just press the accelerator to start the engine and drive away. Obviously there was some delay whilst the engine started but this was very short - basically instant - and it never really registered. Certainly not a problem.

If not using the "automatic hold" function of the brakes, but manually holding the car in position with a lighter pressure on the brake, lifting off the brake would start the engine as you describe. I never liked the way that worked and usually avoided it.
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You're obviously not familiar with Northern Arizona. I live 14 miles from a ski area. I rarely use AC in my vehicles.
I went to the canyon in February one year and saw the crater around the same time. The canyon was covered in snow at the top. I know it gets cold up north, but don't most people live in Phoenix and Tucson?
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Flagstaff is a 'university' city and the 3rd populous in state.
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Flagstaff is a 'university' city and the 3rd populous in state.
Yes. And a number of people who graduate from NAU choose to stay in Flagstaff if they can find a "real" job in Flagstaff.
I moved to Flagstaff when I was 5 years old. (I had no choice in the matter; my parents moved here.)
I found a real job during my junior year at NAU. November 12th will be my 37th anniversary at this job.
I haven't been to Phoenix since January, 2007; never been to Tucson. I plan to visit the Pima Air Museum some time in the future.

As for snow in Arizona... I skied 67 days this past ski season.
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In automatic vehicles, stop-start tech means that there's a delay for the vehicle to begin moving (to start the engine) when lifting off the brake pedal. That could be very, very disconcerting to someone used to how automatics drive. (Note that most hybrids (the ones capable of moving under solely electric power) are another story, as they can begin rolling under electric power immediately.)

Manuals, it's actually less intrusive - the engine stops when you put it in neutral and lift off the clutch, and restarts when you press the clutch pedal. So, by the time you've got 1st engaged, and you're releasing the clutch, the engine should be running.
I dunno about that, in my experience with German cars I've sat in or driven, the engine starts extremely fast, and it starts if you slightly let off the brake, so in practice the engine is already spinning by the time your foot is off the brake, and the car is already moving forward.
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I never drove any vehicle fitted with start-stop, but it's easily noticeable from the outside when the system engages and disengages. But I don't believe it would upset me if I were driving a car fitted with it.

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