Some help with my voyager

[Nerys]

Alas its 96 not 95 or older (95 or older would not be aero either hehe :-)

What a bout 96 neon parts? would they be compatible?

[JohnnyGrey]

I don't mean to rag on your vehicle, but do you need the capacity regularly for any reason? If not, it might be wiser to look into a smaller vehicle rather than trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

That being said, you can deactivate one bank of cylinders by doing the following:

1. Using relays to cut out one bank of fuel injectors.
2. Spoofing the ECU by switching the O2 input for the dead bank with the live bank, and possibly repeating for the post-cat sensors.

The vehicle should have more than enough power to cruise on one bank. Because the engine itself doesn't deactivate cylinders or valves, you've still got that drag on the motor so you won't be seeing the same gains as engines designed for cylinder deactivation. I think you could expect an 5% improvement from doing this.

A good hint to see if a manual transmission would easily swap in is the location of the auto shifter. If it's on the floor, there's a good chance your vehicle has a manual available. If it's on the steering column, it probably doesn't. FWD transmissions use cables to connect the stick to the transmission so you'd have to cut holes in the firewall for the cables and do some welding/drilling to mount the shifter assembly to the floor of the car.

[trooper Tdiesel]

i know this is super old, but thought it was better than starting a new thread on the same thing....
3,700lbs for a 1996 van is super super light

we had a high end 1998 ES Dodge model, 3.8L "its just a stroked 3.3L" , 4sp auto trans, long model, and the AWD system.

on many occasions theres some trucks scales that are closed near are place.
and more times than not when we did stop to see it was very close to 5,000lbs with a full tank and two people.

but still getting around low 20s even at 5K in LBs


as to the manual trans idea, sad to say non of the gen3 1996 up or gen 4s where ever sold with a manual trans.
only the gen2s 1995 and older where sold with a manual trans.

but when theres a will theres a way when it comes to that stuffGO FOR IT

[Nerys]

well the point of the more comfortable vehicle is just that. more comfortable. this one specifically? because I already have it. I can not afford to "buy another" vehicle.

Mostly I just want to improve the fuel economy enough to back to PRE Ethanol values so its "worth" driving the van again.

Pre ethanol I was getting 28mpg and tickling 30mpg here and there.

at 30mpg I could justify driving the van on my fuel budget. at its current 19-20 mpg I can not. I can process the ethanol out of the gasoline but that is WAY too much work at even 30mpg since I would need to do 20 gallons a week.

I am starting to think shove a 3cyl metro engine and tranny into the van. I just towed a boat with the metro the other day. EASILY put me at 3400-3500 pounds OR MORE and WAY more drag than the minivan. so the drive train "can" do it. but man it REALLY worked that drive train I don't know if I could take hills with it without significantly slowing down (although I was intentionally really taking it easy)

BUT I did get 35-38 mpg doing it so the possibility of 35mpg in something as heavy and draggy as the minivan with a 3cyl engine IS possible.

Questions is how long would the clutch last? I don't know. Do they make a stronger clutch that can be used with the metro 3cyl engine and tranny?

[trooper Tdiesel]

the 1996/2000 van is one of the top 5 aerodynamic vans out there, if not the best, but you knew that all ready
maybe a clutch thats used with a 4 popper 1.3L could possibly fit a 1.0L?




thinking out side the box....
ive heard of the sidekick 1.6L 16V engine being adapted to a FWD geo, there about 100/110 hp. just need to find a FWD manual from one of the cars they made that will fit it

my sidekick is 3,000lbs+ gets about 27/29 on E10 and its not very aro shaped.
it also has the added drag of RWD and part time 4WD

[cleanspeed1]

Originally Posted by Nerys

well the point of the more comfortable vehicle is just that. more comfortable. this one specifically? because I already have it. I can not afford to "buy another" vehicle.

Mostly I just want to improve the fuel economy enough to back to PRE Ethanol values so its "worth" driving the van again.

Pre ethanol I was getting 28mpg and tickling 30mpg here and there.

at 30mpg I could justify driving the van on my fuel budget. at its current 19-20 mpg I can not. I can process the ethanol out of the gasoline but that is WAY too much work at even 30mpg since I would need to do 20 gallons a week.

I am starting to think shove a 3cyl metro engine and tranny into the van. I just towed a boat with the metro the other day. EASILY put me at 3400-3500 pounds OR MORE and WAY more drag than the minivan. so the drive train "can" do it. but man it REALLY worked that drive train I don't know if I could take hills with it without significantly slowing down (although I was intentionally really taking it easy)

BUT I did get 35-38 mpg doing it so the possibility of 35mpg in something as heavy and draggy as the minivan with a 3cyl engine IS possible.

Questions is how long would the clutch last? I don't know. Do they make a stronger clutch that can be used with the metro 3cyl engine and tranny?

Did you look at "davidsfarm" on youtube, where he put a 1.6 IDI VW turbodiesel into a minivan? ( he used an early Dodge minivan, then swapped the drivetrain into the body similar to yours ) Think he was doing 50+ mpg with it.

How about the Neon 2.0L?

[trooper Tdiesel]

seems "davidsfarm" on youtube was shut down for some reason

i was looking for it but wasent coming up with any thing tell this.

Google

[cleanspeed1]

Oh my God. I had no idea. I have two small kids. This makes me sick.

[focus1.6uk]

cleanspeed1 mentions the Neon 2.0L, which I think would be a good choice of engine if you had the funds; I’ve added some info you will hopefully find useful ...

In the UK you could spec a Voyager Gen 3, or Neon, with a gas 2.0L 131 hp engine and 5-speed manual gearbox. There was also a 2.5L turbo diesel & manual ‘box fitted to Gen 3 Voyagers and various Jeep Cherokee models. Also, Gen 4 Voyager and later Jeeps had 2 diesel choices, a 2.5L or 2.8L CRD common rail, I think all 2.5L had 5 sp manuals and all 2.8L had autos.

My family lived in Canada in the mid 90s for a short time, and my dad thought the 2.0L 5sp Voyager we bought when we moved back to the UK was a fair bit quicker and less thirsty than the Canadian 3.0 V6 auto we had. You might find it funny that most people in the UK think the Voyager is enormous haha!

I don’t know whether any diesel/ 2.0L engines with manual ‘box were available in the US but no doubt they should get you back to 30+ mpg, maybe much more with a diesel