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Old 08-14-2017, 01:58 PM   #191 (permalink)
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If your car is sitting in your garage or drive the power it uses to condition the cabin environment actually comes from your charger/mains, so you should still leave with a full charge in the morning. As long as you are connected to a charger it is not an issue.
Certainly it is. That mains power is coming either from dirty fossil fuel generation, or from cleaner hydro/nuclear/renewable generation which could be used to displace some of the dirty generation, if it weren't being wasted heating or cooling a car for wussies people who can't handle a wee bit of temperature difference.

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Okayyy.
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It beats using a remote starter with an ICE engine to precondition your cabin.
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Old 08-14-2017, 06:07 PM   #193 (permalink)
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Certainly it is. That mains power is coming either from dirty fossil fuel generation, or from cleaner hydro/nuclear/renewable generation which could be used to displace some of the dirty generation, if it weren't being wasted heating or cooling a car for wussies people who can't handle a wee bit of temperature difference.
James I don't precondition the cab of my Volt, even when it's 30 below

I do precondition the battery before leaving so the battery heater is off while I am driving, takes under a nickle of juice to get the battery warm, my Volt maintains 50 miles EV down to about 10F, (assuming I don't have massive fog and freezing rain issues)
which is pretty good, below that it drops
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That mains power is coming either from dirty fossil fuel generation, or from cleaner hydro/nuclear/renewable generation...if it weren't being wasted heating or cooling a car.
Nothing beats a half-moon windscreen, a half-tonneau, and a leather helmet and a long scarf thrown over your shoulder.
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That mains power is coming either from dirty fossil fuel generation, or from cleaner hydro/nuclear/renewable generation which could be used to displace some of the dirty generation, if it weren't being wasted heating or cooling a car for wussies people who can't handle a wee bit of temperature difference.
This comment clarifies your opinion of conditioning the cabin.

I don't run the heater in the winter at all unless there is a problem with condensation, which is often. The heated seats are very efficient and warm. They might draw an average of 60 watts each; nothing that would noticeably impact range.

Singling out cabin conditioning from the grid as an unnecessary waste that only weenies would do is arbitrary. We could just as easily single out people who heat or cool their homes as weenies. How about those weenies who watch TV for entertainment when they could be entertained without consuming electricity? How about clothes dryers, refrigerators, toasters, dishwashers, etc.

We could all live in tiny houses, or better yet, 1 enormous communal living space. That would be very efficient. Heck, suicide would save a lot of energy. The point of living is in the enjoyment, and that should include being mindful of efficiency, but for most people, being comfortable is part of enjoying life.
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This comment clarifies your opinion of conditioning the cabin.

I don't run the heater in the winter at all unless there is a problem with condensation, which is often. The heated seats are very efficient and warm.
I don't think it clarified it enough. The main reason to run a heater in the winter is to clear the windshield. You're outside, so you should be dressed for the weather, and thus too much cabin heat will make you uncomfortable. (And you wouldn't really be able to feel those heated seats.) Otherwise what happens when you get stranded for some reason? You freeze to death.
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Not that any of us would want that to happen.

Your spinning of hypotheticals is making me dizzy.
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Your spinning of hypotheticals is making me dizzy.
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I generally wear a coat and lightly insulated leather gloves in the winter when I'm traveling to another heated, indoor location. No risk of freezing to death on my way to the grocery store.

It makes sense to be prepared for the elements in remote locations in the winter, but I'm not driving with snow gloves on.
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Whether electrically preheating a car is a necessity or a luxury, the fact remains that the ability to do so is an asset to those who would like to use it.
You can't force anyone to use it against their will.
Well maybe the manufacturer can by not allowing the car to drive; if just to protect the plastic trim from damage as it gets brittle with severe cold...
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I would like to be able to preheat the battery pack within its optimal temperature range. Though with a large battery pack (50 kWh is the smallest capacity Tesla offers) and gentle draw during the first miles (residential area, cautious driving in slippery conditions) it would not really be necessary.

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