10-10-2009, 01:53 PM
|
#21 (permalink)
|
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 3,607
Thanks: 870
Thanked 636 Times in 372 Posts
|
cigarettes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christ
Smokers beware, K&N is coming for your cigarette filters, too!
|
Ah yes,smoke with those puppies and K&N will guarantee 10% added to your lifetime!
|
|
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to aerohead For This Useful Post:
|
|
Today
|
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
|
10-10-2009, 02:00 PM
|
#22 (permalink)
|
|
Batman Junior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 11,914
Thanks: 239
Thanked 848 Times in 471 Posts
|
To be fair, it's not K&N making the claims about improved fuel economy. They say:
Quote:
|
we do not go so far as to make a general claim that our air filters and intake systems will provide an increase in mileage. - source
|
But they weasel their way out of that conundrum by relying on and emphasizing their customers' unscientific testimonials.
|
|
|
|
10-10-2009, 02:07 PM
|
#23 (permalink)
|
|
Moderate your Moderation.
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,236
Thanks: 868
Thanked 294 Times in 248 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetroMPG
To be fair, it's not K&N making the claims about improved fuel economy. They say:
But they weasel their way out of that conundrum by relying on and emphasizing their customers' unscientific testimonials.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christ
Smokers beware, K&N is coming for your cigarette filters, too! Recent studies suggest a 10% increase in nicotine consumption per cigarette, while reducing tar and other contaminants wholly by 25%!
They're making a healthier cigarette!!! (Don't mind the oil you're sucking in, it's OK for you and the environment... )
/sarcasm
Man, I love false advertising.
|
All due respect, it won't be K&N making those claims, either. It'll be RJR Tobacco, Inc. 
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"
I'd like to think that people might open their eyes at some point... instead, I find it more and more likely that I'll just close mine.
-- Author kept secret.
Je ne veux pas d'une meilleure vie. Je veux être heureux avec celle que j'ai maintenant.
(I do not want a better life. I want to be happy with the one I have now.)
|
|
|
|
10-10-2009, 02:24 PM
|
#24 (permalink)
|
|
EcoModding Lurker
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 74
Thanks: 0
Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
|
A bunch of us were on a dive boat down in the Bahamas for a week and there was a copy of a that months Scuba Diving Magazine sitting on on the table.
"Let me make it clear there is a "Scuba Diving Magazine" and I'm not sure since this was over twenty years ago if it was THIS magazine. It was magazine that was about scuba diving."
We got talking about one of the dive operations that was featured in that months issue. One of the guys running the trip popped up and said that dive operation paid between $15-$25K for that article. He said they had been approached a few times for a feature article and it always came with a pretty hefty price tag. I understand with the Ski magazines this is standard operation procedures with almost every article in the magazine.
I'd bet K&N paid a pretty large advertising fee for that featured piece on their air filter.
|
|
|
|
10-10-2009, 04:27 PM
|
#25 (permalink)
|
|
chop suey
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 6,639
Thanks: 559
Thanked 690 Times in 491 Posts
|
Quote:
Posted October 30 2008 01:29 PM by Mark Williams
If you haven't figured it out by now, we take our testing pretty seriously around here.
|
Quote:
Editorials
• Allyson Harwood (21)
• Edward A. Sanchez (18)
• Mark Williams (65)
• Melissa Spiering (65)
• Thomas Voehringer (16)
|
Due to having the most blogs, I'm thinking Mr. Williams or Ms. Spiering to be senior editors and thus the point men for yelling at.
And Bob, I now think you were way too kind. It wasn't ignorance and/or sloppiness that caused them to not use the dyno; it was malicious intent to deceive.
|
|
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Frank Lee For This Useful Post:
|
|
10-10-2009, 05:08 PM
|
#26 (permalink)
|
|
aero guerrilla
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Warsaw, Poland
Posts: 2,710
Thanks: 623
Thanked 323 Times in 205 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALS
We got talking about one of the dive operations that was featured in that months issue. One of the guys running the trip popped up and said that dive operation paid between $15-$25K for that article. He said they had been approached a few times for a feature article and it always came with a pretty hefty price tag. I understand with the Ski magazines this is standard operation procedures with almost every article in the magazine.
I'd bet K&N paid a pretty large advertising fee for that featured piece on their air filter.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee
Quote:
Posted October 30 2008 01:29 PM by Mark Williams
If you haven't figured it out by now, we take our testing pretty seriously around here.
|
|
The next sentence is:
Quote:
|
As much as some of the haters out there want you to believe we don't drive any of the vehicles we write about and simply choose a winner based on who offers us the largest box of cash, it simply isn't true.
|
I guess that pertains to trucks only, not other products they "test".
__________________
e·co·mod·ding: the art of turning vehicles into what they should be
What matters is where you're going, not how fast.
"... we humans tend to screw up everything that's good enough as it is...or everything that we're attracted to, we love to go and defile it." - Chris Cornell
Piwoslaw's Peugeot 307sw modding thread
|
|
|
|
10-10-2009, 08:01 PM
|
#27 (permalink)
|
|
Left Lane Ecodriver
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA
Posts: 2,232
Thanks: 79
Thanked 236 Times in 172 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee
Due to having the most blogs, I'm thinking Mr. Williams or Ms. Spiering to be senior editors and thus the point men for yelling at.
And Bob, I now think you were way too kind. It wasn't ignorance and/or sloppiness that caused them to not use the dyno; it was malicious intent to deceive.
|
Whether you're critiquing a scientific paper or a Truck Trend article, there's a right way to criticize: act as though you're addressing a room full of people that includes the author. Be civilized, and large accusations require lots of supporting evidence (which you have).
I wish more people would write letters to the editor, letters to the manufacturer, etc. T.T. would be a little more hesitant to run infomercials like this one if they knew some of us are diligent enough to catch them.
|
|
|
|
10-10-2009, 08:28 PM
|
#28 (permalink)
|
|
chop suey
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 6,639
Thanks: 559
Thanked 690 Times in 491 Posts
|
Sometimes my supply of nice runs low.
|
|
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Frank Lee For This Useful Post:
|
|
10-10-2009, 08:37 PM
|
#29 (permalink)
|
|
chop suey
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 6,639
Thanks: 559
Thanked 690 Times in 491 Posts
|
The moral of the story is don't trust the garbage in the enthusiast magazines...
Except Kevin Cameron's material, mostly found in old Cycle World magazines. That guy rules.
The moral of the story especially is don't even waste your time reading a piece "By The Author" or whatever obviously bogus nom de plume.
Last edited by Frank Lee; 10-10-2009 at 09:02 PM..
|
|
|
|
10-10-2009, 10:31 PM
|
#30 (permalink)
|
|
Moderate your Moderation.
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,236
Thanks: 868
Thanked 294 Times in 248 Posts
|
Wouldn't it be more like Nom de'Computer?
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"
I'd like to think that people might open their eyes at some point... instead, I find it more and more likely that I'll just close mine.
-- Author kept secret.
Je ne veux pas d'une meilleure vie. Je veux être heureux avec celle que j'ai maintenant.
(I do not want a better life. I want to be happy with the one I have now.)
|
|
|
|
|