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Old 10-10-2009, 01:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Smokers beware, K&N is coming for your cigarette filters, too!
Ah yes,smoke with those puppies and K&N will guarantee 10% added to your lifetime!


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Old 10-10-2009, 02:00 PM   #22 (permalink)
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To be fair, it's not K&N making the claims about improved fuel economy. They say:

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we do not go so far as to make a general claim that our air filters and intake systems will provide an increase in mileage. - source
But they weasel their way out of that conundrum by relying on and emphasizing their customers' unscientific testimonials.
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Old 10-10-2009, 02:07 PM   #23 (permalink)
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To be fair, it's not K&N making the claims about improved fuel economy. They say:

But they weasel their way out of that conundrum by relying on and emphasizing their customers' unscientific testimonials.
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Smokers beware, K&N is coming for your cigarette filters, too! Recent studies suggest a 10% increase in nicotine consumption per cigarette, while reducing tar and other contaminants wholly by 25%!

They're making a healthier cigarette!!! (Don't mind the oil you're sucking in, it's OK for you and the environment... )

/sarcasm

Man, I love false advertising.
All due respect, it won't be K&N making those claims, either. It'll be RJR Tobacco, Inc.
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A bunch of us were on a dive boat down in the Bahamas for a week and there was a copy of a that months Scuba Diving Magazine sitting on on the table.

"Let me make it clear there is a "Scuba Diving Magazine" and I'm not sure since this was over twenty years ago if it was THIS magazine. It was magazine that was about scuba diving."

We got talking about one of the dive operations that was featured in that months issue. One of the guys running the trip popped up and said that dive operation paid between $15-$25K for that article. He said they had been approached a few times for a feature article and it always came with a pretty hefty price tag. I understand with the Ski magazines this is standard operation procedures with almost every article in the magazine.

I'd bet K&N paid a pretty large advertising fee for that featured piece on their air filter.
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Posted October 30 2008 01:29 PM by Mark Williams

If you haven't figured it out by now, we take our testing pretty seriously around here.
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Due to having the most blogs, I'm thinking Mr. Williams or Ms. Spiering to be senior editors and thus the point men for yelling at.

And Bob, I now think you were way too kind. It wasn't ignorance and/or sloppiness that caused them to not use the dyno; it was malicious intent to deceive.
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Old 10-10-2009, 05:08 PM   #26 (permalink)
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We got talking about one of the dive operations that was featured in that months issue. One of the guys running the trip popped up and said that dive operation paid between $15-$25K for that article. He said they had been approached a few times for a feature article and it always came with a pretty hefty price tag. I understand with the Ski magazines this is standard operation procedures with almost every article in the magazine.

I'd bet K&N paid a pretty large advertising fee for that featured piece on their air filter.
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If you haven't figured it out by now, we take our testing pretty seriously around here.
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As much as some of the haters out there want you to believe we don't drive any of the vehicles we write about and simply choose a winner based on who offers us the largest box of cash, it simply isn't true.
I guess that pertains to trucks only, not other products they "test".
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Due to having the most blogs, I'm thinking Mr. Williams or Ms. Spiering to be senior editors and thus the point men for yelling at.

And Bob, I now think you were way too kind. It wasn't ignorance and/or sloppiness that caused them to not use the dyno; it was malicious intent to deceive.
Whether you're critiquing a scientific paper or a Truck Trend article, there's a right way to criticize: act as though you're addressing a room full of people that includes the author. Be civilized, and large accusations require lots of supporting evidence (which you have).

I wish more people would write letters to the editor, letters to the manufacturer, etc. T.T. would be a little more hesitant to run infomercials like this one if they knew some of us are diligent enough to catch them.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:37 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The moral of the story is don't trust the garbage in the enthusiast magazines...

Except Kevin Cameron's material, mostly found in old Cycle World magazines. That guy rules.

The moral of the story especially is don't even waste your time reading a piece "By The Author" or whatever obviously bogus nom de plume.
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Wouldn't it be more like Nom de'Computer?


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