The Ultimate Mpg Guide

[Hypermiler1995]

I have noticed that hybrid owners do not get as good mpg above Epa as others, and since some numbers might be exaggerated, I thought a
three-way approach would be helpful to car buyers. Here is the first part.

EPA user: average of all user data within model years specified

EM user: average of last 10 updated in the EM garage, except for very popular models, then updated since sept. 1st

Number in Parenthesis: how many different cars averaged

No plugin hybrids included due to mpge not figured in

.............CAR.........................EPA av.............EPA user..........EM user
2013-2015 Nissan Leaf...........114-115...........150.7 (3).........121.4 (1)

2012-2014 Mits. i-Miev...............112..............144.3 (2).............N/A

2012-2014 Ford focus ev............105..............147.8 (2).............N/A

2011-2012 Nissan Leaf................99..............131.5 (17)............N/A

2013-2014 Tesla S 60-kw/hr........95...................N/A.............112.3 (1)

2012-2014 Tesla S 85-kw/hr........89...............102.2 (4).............N/A

2001-2006 Honda Insight (m)....52-53..............64.6 (1).........68.8 (10)

2012-2015 Toyota Prius C............50...............51.2 (53)..........56.4 (4)

2010-2015 Toyota Prius...............50..............48.9 (308)........52.7 (10)

2014-2015 Honda Accord hy.........47...............43.9 (35)............N/A

2001-2006 Honda Insight (vA)......47...............54.6 (33).........60.7 (3)

1988 Chevy Sprint Metro..............47.................53 (1)............50.9 (1)

1989-1994 Geo Metro XFI............47................50.2 (21)........48.6 (10)

2004-2009 Toyota Prius...............46...............47.1 (828).......48.6 (10)

1986-1987 Honda Crx Hf.............46....................N/A.............47.4 (1)

2014-2015 Honda Civic hy...........45.................48.5 (4).............N/A

2013-2015 VW Jetta hy...............45.................39.2 (21)...........N/A

2012-2013 Honda Civic hy...........44.................46.6 (15)...........N/A

1988-1989 Honda Crx Hf...........41-44...............46.7 (11)........46.2 (7)

1990-1991 Honda Crx Hf.............43.................49.8 (13)........48.8 (10)

1992-1995 Honda Civic Vx...........43.................47.8 (18).......50.85 (15)

2013-2015 Ford Fusion hy...........42.................40.6 (123)...........N/A

2012-2015 Toyota Prius V............42..................42 (56)..........45.1 (2)

2011-2015 Lexus Ct 200h............42.................42.6 (31)...........N/A

2012-2014 Honda Insight............42...................47 (14)..........70.5 (1)

2006-2010 Honda Civic hy...........42.................43.8 (287)........45 (4)

1985 Chevrolet Sprint.................42...................41.3 (2)............N/A

2012-2015 Toyota Camry hy........41...................40 (28).............N/A

2001-2003 Toyota Prius...............41...................45 (79).........50.6 (4)

2010-2011 Honda Insight.............41.................46.8 (66)........50.8 (9)

2011 Honda Civic hy....................41..................48.4 (5)...........N/A

1988-1989 Honda CRX HF (Cali ed?)..41..............45.9 (4)...........N/A

2003-2005 Honda Civic hy (vA)(lb)..41...............43.6 (35)..........N/A

2003-2005 Honda Civic hy (m)(lb)..41................48.1 (21).........51 (4)

2003-2005 Honda Civic hy (vA).....40.................43.1 (30)..........N/A

2003-2005 Honda Civic hy (m)......40.................46.3 (26)..........N/A

[OG VX]

Cool thread! Thanks for the info. Please keep this up.

[Hypermiler1995]

Here is 15 more Please tell me how far I should go (all would be a lot).

Car..........................................EPA av........EPA user........EM user
1989-1994 Geo metro (m)...........40-41........44.2 (38)......53.3 (10)

2013-2015 Ford C-Max..................40..........39.6 (126).........N/A

2013-2015 Lexus Es 300h..............40...........37.7 (20)..........N/A

2013-2015 Toyota Avalon hy..........40...........37.2 (21)..........N/A

2012-2015 Toyota Camry Xle hy.....40...........37.7 (48)..........N/A

1986 Chevrolet Sprint/Sprint plus....40.............48 (1).........41.1 (1)

1992-1995 Honda Civic VX (Cali ed?)..40.........41.2 (4)..........N/A

1995-1997 Geo Metro 3cyl (m)........40..........42.2 (39)........49 (10)

1998 Chevrolet Metro 3cyl (m)........40...........43.9 (12)......45.4 (10)

2014-2015 Mits. Mirage (A).............40...........46.8 (5)........43.6 (1)

2010-2012 Ford Fusion hy...............39..........38.3 (71)..........N/A

2010-2011 Mercury Milan hy............39...........38.3 (9)..........N/A

2011-2012 Lincoln MKZ hy...............39..........36.6 (10).........N/A

1990-1991 Honda CRX HF (Cali ed?)..39..........46.5 (8)..........N/A

1987-1988 Chevrolet Sprint.............39.............48 (2)..........40 (1)

[Sven7]

Good idea! I feel like it would be easier to read in a spreadsheet, though- BBCode isn't kind to columns, unfortunately.

Interesting that some show lower MPG for EM users than EPA users!

[Hypermiler1995]

Originally Posted by Sven7

Good idea! I feel like it would be easier to read in a spreadsheet, though- BBCode isn't kind to columns, unfortunately.

Interesting that some show lower MPG for EM users than EPA users!

I posted the first numbers spaced in columns, but this forum doesn't like spaces

And on the EM vs EPA users, you have to remember a lot of the cars in the em garage are 1-time post from people who didn't ecomod or hypermile.

[Ecky]

Some reasons hybrid owners might not get as far above EPA as others:

The largest gains to be had are from EoC, which works by running a relatively large engine at high load a short amount of time and leaving it off between pulses, thereby running it at full load as much as possible. With a hybrid, the engine is downsized nearly to the point that it needs to be run at full load just to maintain cruising speed in top gear, and the electric motor provides accelerating and passing power.

Hybrids will have electric power steering and no alternator, which are equivalent to cutting the belts on a traditional car. Pulling the fuse on electric power steering nets very little gain, and electricity generation is much more efficient in a hybrid.

Hybrids employ regenerative braking, which discourages coasting in neutral with the engine off up to a light.

Hybrids shut their engines off when not needed, which also reaches for the same fruit as EoC and/or shutting the engine off at lights.

Hybrids often come from the factory with less low hanging fruit via aerodynamic improvements.

[Fat Charlie]

Yeah, hybrids do a lot of the hypermiling for you- there's less inefficiency to improve on.

[Hypermiler1995]

Car..............................................E PA av......EPA user......EM user
2002-2003 VW jetta 1.9 tdi wgn (m)..39...........48 (24).........N/A

2013-2014 Acura ILX hy...................38............43 (1)..........N/A

2013-2014 Lincoln MKZ hy................38............36 (6).........N/A

2013-2015 Hyundai Sonata hy...........38..........37.7 (5)........N/A

2013-2015 Kia Optima hy.................38...........37.7 (1).....41.4 (1)

1998-2003 VW Beetle 1.9 tdi (m).......38..........46.3 (50)....50.9 (6)

1999-2003 VW Golf 1.9 tdi (m)..........38...........47 (57).....50.4 (5)

1999-2003 VW Jetta 1.9 tdi (m).........38.........46.6 (124)...50 (10)

1992-1995 Honda Civic 1.5 (m).........38..........37.8 (10)...45.5 (10)

1996 VW jetta 1.9 tdi (m).................38...........43.5 (1).......N/A

2013-2015 Hyundai Sonata hy limited..37........37.8 (12)......N/A

2011-2015 Honda Cr-Z (vA)..............37.........40.5 (13)....40.7 (3)

2011-2015 Scion IQ (vA)..................37..........35.1 (9).......N/A

1990-1993 Geo Metro Lsi convertible..37.........42.5 (13)....45.5 (7)

2013-2015 Kia Optima hy ex.............37..........33.9 (6).......N/A

1999 Chevrolet Metro 1.0 (m)...........37..........48.8 (10)....46.1 (3)

[Hypermiler1995]

Car..............................................E PA av.......EPA user.......EM user
2014-2015 Mits. Mirage (m)..............37...........44.2 (5).......65.2 (1)

1997-1999 VW Jetta 1.9 tdi (m).........37..........45.6 (26)......48.5 (5)

2014-2015 BMW 328d 2.0 diesel (vA)..37 .........43.8 (2).........N/A

2011-2012 Hyundai Sonata hy...........36..........33.8 (47).........N/A

2011-2012 Kia Optima hy..................36..........31.8 (23)........N/A

2008-2015 Smart fortwo coupe..........36..........38.6 (76)......44.3 (2)

2008-2015 Smart fortwo convertible...36..........37.3 (34)......47.3 (2)

1984-1986 Chevrolet Chevette diesel (m)..36......39 (1)...........N/A

1993-1995 Honda Civic 1.5 (m) (cali. ed?)..36....37.8 (2)......46.2 (4)

1996 Honda Civic Hx 1.6 (m).............36............38.2 (5)......42.6 (4)

2015 Honda Fit 1.5 (vA).................35-36..........34.4 (4)........N/A

1989-1990 Suzuki Swift 1.3 (m)........36............23.5 (1).........N/A

1984-1985 Toyota Corolla 1.8 diesel (m)..36......44.3 (1).........N/A

1997 VW Passat 1.9 tdi (m)...............36...........46.5 (9).........N/A

2004 VW Golf 1.9 tdi (m)..................36...........43.1 (14).....61.8 (1)

2004 VW Jetta 1.9 tdi (m).................36...........45.5 (25)....39.76 (1)

2004 VW Beetle 1.9 tdi (m)...............36............44.7 (4)......46.1 (1)

2000 Chevrolet metro 1.0 (m)...........36............41.7 (7)......51.2 (2)

2014-2015 Ford fiesta 1.0 turbo (m)...36...........41.9 (3)......45.8 (1)

2015 VW Golf 2.0 tdi (vA).................36............42.1 (1)........N/A

2015 VW Golf 2.0 tdi (m)..................36............47.1 (2)........N/A

[UltArc]

Where's the Mustang?!