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Old 10-12-2011, 09:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I think Greece has the most expensive gas in the Europe, around 6.5 euros / Gallon.
You'll have to go to Norway for Europe's most expensive gas @ 1.8 euro/L.
Greece is second at 1.68 euro/L.
But the Norwegians can more easily afford it

For Greece, it's 6.36 euro/gal US or 8.73 USD / gal US

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Old 10-14-2011, 01:40 AM   #13 (permalink)
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All we see here is the subsidized price. If one removes all subsidies, then US fuel is nearly $12/gl. This same subsidy also underwrites European fuel to some extent.
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You'll have to go to Norway for Europe's most expensive gas @ 1.8 euro/L.
Greece is second at 1.68 euro/L.
But the Norwegians can more easily afford it

For Greece, it's 6.36 euro/gal US or 8.73 USD / gal US

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Now, if we could do a comparison of say,

a Standard Inline 4cyl petrol (35imp mpg) and a 4cyl diesel turbo (50imp mpg)

for each country- calculating the cost to drive 15000 miles PA, then express it as a % of average national income per capita..

that would be an interesting read!
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Old 10-14-2011, 03:11 PM   #15 (permalink)
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BBC News - America's commutes start earlier and last longer

What say you fellows?

Is this accurate?
I believe it is accurate. I personally have seen the transformation of much, much "undeveloped" area into semi-rural residential subdivisions.

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All we see here is the subsidized price. If one removes all subsidies, then US fuel is nearly $12/gl. This same subsidy also underwrites European fuel to some extent.
Interesting, this is opposite of what I thought I knew. That being, our gas prices are so low (relatively) because of the (relatively) low taxes on fuel. And that the prices in Europe were so high because they taxed fuel quite a lot.

Do you have data to support the $12/gallon price?

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Interesting, this is opposite of what I thought I knew. That being, our gas prices are so low (relatively) because of the (relatively) low taxes on fuel. And that the prices in Europe were so high because they taxed fuel quite a lot.

Do you have data to support the $12/gallon price?

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I don't know the source, but here is one claiming $11+ in 2008 :

Real Cost of a Gallon of Gas: $11.35 plus | Hybrid Cars
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The national average for unleaded gas hit $3.28 a gallon this week, a 26 percent increase from last year at this time. Yet, the real cost of energy dependence amounts to more than $11.35 per gallon, according to Gal Luft, executive director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security.

In Dr. Luft’s opinion piece in today’s Miami Herald, he estimates that the United States is sending $460 billion per year overseas to finance the daily buying of 12 million barrels of imported oil. Luft cites calculations from the late Milton Copulos, an energy economist, who sets the grand total from the cost of oil-related defense expenditures, amortized cost of supply disruptions, and lost economic activity and tax revenues, at $825 billion per year.
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As above. There are others who have gone over the numbers as well. The other costs are unfunded liabilities in health, environment, etc. that add up even more.
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Here's a decent article with quite a few links on comparing US commutes to those of other nations.
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LOLZ! Funny how people say they dislike commuting so much, but seem to go out of their way to live as far away from work as they can.

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