USA Commutes getting longer and more stressful?

[skyl4rk]

I think my bicycle needs some oil on the chain or something. It is slowing down a bit.

[euromodder]

Originally Posted by Arrow

I think Greece has the most expensive gas in the Europe, around 6.5 euros / Gallon.

You'll have to go to Norway for Europe's most expensive gas @ 1.8 euro/L.
Greece is second at 1.68 euro/L.
But the Norwegians can more easily afford it

For Greece, it's 6.36 euro/gal US or 8.73 USD / gal US

European fuel prices :
Gas
Benzin Diesel Kraftstoff

Diesel
Benzin Diesel Kraftstoff

[slowmover]

All we see here is the subsidized price. If one removes all subsidies, then US fuel is nearly $12/gl. This same subsidy also underwrites European fuel to some extent.

[320touring]

Originally Posted by euromodder

You'll have to go to Norway for Europe's most expensive gas @ 1.8 euro/L.
Greece is second at 1.68 euro/L.
But the Norwegians can more easily afford it

For Greece, it's 6.36 euro/gal US or 8.73 USD / gal US

European fuel prices :
Gas
Benzin Diesel Kraftstoff

Diesel
Benzin Diesel Kraftstoff

Now, if we could do a comparison of say,

a Standard Inline 4cyl petrol (35imp mpg) and a 4cyl diesel turbo (50imp mpg)

for each country- calculating the cost to drive 15000 miles PA, then express it as a % of average national income per capita..

that would be an interesting read!

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by 320touring

BBC News - America's commutes start earlier and last longer

What say you fellows?

Is this accurate?

I believe it is accurate. I personally have seen the transformation of much, much "undeveloped" area into semi-rural residential subdivisions.

Most commutes are out of one's control and unpredictable, which make them hard to handle psychologically, Dr Kaplan adds

People choose their commutes so in that respect they aren't "out of one's control".

[some_other_dave]

Originally Posted by slowmover

All we see here is the subsidized price. If one removes all subsidies, then US fuel is nearly $12/gl. This same subsidy also underwrites European fuel to some extent.

Interesting, this is opposite of what I thought I knew. That being, our gas prices are so low (relatively) because of the (relatively) low taxes on fuel. And that the prices in Europe were so high because they taxed fuel quite a lot.

Do you have data to support the $12/gallon price?

-soD

[cfg83]

some_other_dave -

Originally Posted by some_other_dave

Interesting, this is opposite of what I thought I knew. That being, our gas prices are so low (relatively) because of the (relatively) low taxes on fuel. And that the prices in Europe were so high because they taxed fuel quite a lot.

Do you have data to support the $12/gallon price?

-soD

I don't know the source, but here is one claiming $11+ in 2008 :

Real Cost of a Gallon of Gas: $11.35 plus | Hybrid Cars

The national average for unleaded gas hit $3.28 a gallon this week, a 26 percent increase from last year at this time. Yet, the real cost of energy dependence amounts to more than $11.35 per gallon, according to Gal Luft, executive director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security.

In Dr. Luft’s opinion piece in today’s Miami Herald, he estimates that the United States is sending $460 billion per year overseas to finance the daily buying of 12 million barrels of imported oil. Luft cites calculations from the late Milton Copulos, an energy economist, who sets the grand total from the cost of oil-related defense expenditures, amortized cost of supply disruptions, and lost economic activity and tax revenues, at $825 billion per year.

CarloSW2

[slowmover]

As above. There are others who have gone over the numbers as well. The other costs are unfunded liabilities in health, environment, etc. that add up even more.

[slowmover]

Here's a decent article with quite a few links on comparing US commutes to those of other nations.

[Frank Lee]

LOLZ! Funny how people say they dislike commuting so much, but seem to go out of their way to live as far away from work as they can.