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Old 10-30-2009, 12:41 AM   #421 (permalink)
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Oh, darn :-( Does that mean I'm going to have to return my BS in math & physics, and my MS in computer engineering?
Yeast is here asking me if that is an option

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Guess you never worked at a place where you had to climb about 800 vertical feet of around 8-10% grade first thing in the morning. Even the lowest gear on my street bike didn't allow moderate pedalling.
Sounds tough, but made tougher if you want to waste your energy by ditching the chain in favor of a less efficient pedal generator -> motor setup. A lower gear is always possible too, the energy to climb the hill has to come from somewhere, don't waste it.


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Sure would have been nice to be able to store all that energy in a battery, and use it on the climb the next day :-)
Absolutely, not a series vs parallel issue per-se, but your pedal contributions will be greater for the same physical effort with a parallel setup and proper gearing. We are about efficiency, no? Ignoring the battery, because both series and parallel systems can use it, and it is not a relevant variable for efficiency measurements,

what do you suppose the losses are, realistically, of powering a generator powering a motor strong enough to power you up a hill and take you 20mph, are? I assume both this system and the chain involve the same mechanical losses, though there are probably more on the goofy (series) one. Maybe a %25 loss of efficiency all told? You might as well drag a few cinder blocks behind you everywhere you go



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...would have the sense to refer back to its previous (and quoted) post, and see that batteries were never mentioned....
uh, hmm... well... not sure how to tell you this...


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Sounds tough, but made tougher if you want to waste your energy by ditching the chain in favor of a less efficient pedal generator -> motor setup.
I don't suppose you recognize your assumption there? That the generator/motor is necessarily less efficient? Sure, at one end of the scale you could certainly have a very inefficient system. At the other? Well, chains & gears have friction losses, you know. Can you find a M/G set that's more efficient?

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A lower gear is always possible too, the energy to climb the hill has to come from somewhere, don't waste it.
Yeah, store the energy from coming down last night in a battery, and use that. Or if you're really lazy, plug it in overnight :-)
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Well, chains & gears have friction losses, you know. Can you find a M/G set that's more efficient?
Electric generators and motors have frictional losses too, not to mention heat generated by both components. A chain is also a hell of a lot lighter and more efficient than the electrical components.
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I don't suppose you recognize your assumption there?
That you care about efficiency?


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That the generator/motor is necessarily less efficient?
Oh, absolutely it is less efficient,
a bike chain and sprockets has been clocked at %98.6 efficient
Bicycle chain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are lucky to get %80 out of pedalling a generator to turn a motor, if you assume all the voltages and rpms and load are right to get 90% out of the motor times %90 out of the generator. Usually much less.

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