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Old 08-07-2017, 06:17 PM   #91 (permalink)
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You CAN get stunning FE from a diesel...

Marco is a hypermiler who wrestled 4.0 l/100 km from one of his Civic hybrids.
Long commutes and a light foot made him the most efficient driver on hondahybridclub.nl.
Then he got a Fit manual non-hybrid to 4.6 l/100 km lifetime FE.
Then he got a Civic diesel. Heavier, 1.6 turbo engine.... guess what?
https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/672350.html
3.35 l/100 km !

So, diesel it is, then? Can it even be better?
Depends on the definition of better...
In theory, VW's 1.2 liter turbodiesel can get better economy than that.
In practice it can only get that by overlong gearing and virtually no acceleration when not in turbo range. So you are downshifting a lot, cursing the day you got it.

I test drove a Seat Ibiza ST with that engine. Was cured instantly.
Test drive situation:
On the highway, in 5th gear, doing 50 mph, held up by heavy traffic a bit.
The traffic cleared.
Told my wife I'd show her how hard the Ibiza can accelerate in top gear.
Time passes.
She asks me when I'm going to show it, as nothing is happening.
I told her I was going flat out already for over 10 seconds.
"Let's get back to the dealership".
Beam me up Scotty, there's no life here

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Old 08-11-2017, 11:22 AM   #92 (permalink)
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4L/100km (58mpg) is not really all that hard in a Civic Hybrid.

Driving at constant speed, on level ground, in good weather, with a grille block, air dam, tires @ 50psi, otherwise stock.

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4L/100km (58mpg) is not really all that hard in a Civic Hybrid.

Driving at constant speed, on level ground, in good weather, with a grille block, air dam, tires @ 50psi, otherwise stock.

Agreed, I have the exact same car and I've got 72mpg (US) over similar distances.
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as a flagrant heretic to the religion of
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i question why bother ?

the VW TDi with PD with standard transmission is much better overall at everything than a prius
I don't blame you for being a Prius heretic, but I do blame you for liking anything VW.

What's the attraction with a vehicle way more reliable and easy to work on than any VW? What's the attraction of a vehicle that costs way less to purchase and to maintain?

VW is among the least reliable, most expensive to maintain brands. Just replacing spark plugs in my friend's VW is a nightmare involving removal of the intake manifold and specialized tools.
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4L/100km (58mpg) is not really all that hard in a Civic Hybrid.

Driving at constant speed, on level ground, in good weather, with a grille block, air dam, tires @ 50psi, otherwise stock.
Yeah.
Well I can do 3.1 l/100 km on a trip if conditions are right in my Insight.
2.5 over prolonged stretches at 38 mph.

But there's cold starts, winters, bad weather, traffic jams, unfavourable trips.
So my lifetime FE is worse than Marco's lifetime FE of 4.0 l/100 km...!
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VW is among the least reliable, most expensive to maintain brands. Just replacing spark plugs in my friend's VW is a nightmare involving removal of the intake manifold and specialized tools.
VW used to be reliable and easy to mantain, but it's not the same anymore.

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