Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > EcoModding Central
Register Now
 Register Now

Now available from EcoModder: ScanGauge II fuel economy gauge.  Click for details.  

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 08-02-2009, 09:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
Left Lane Ecodriver
 
RobertSmalls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA
Posts: 2,236

Zombie Insight - '00 Insight MT
Team Honda
90 day: 62.82 mpg (US)
Thanks: 79
Thanked 240 Times in 174 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Atomic Ass View Post
I won't have brake rotors, so that's not an issue. I'll be downsizing my hub motors, but I don't believe that to be an issue either, as my estimated 65mph cruise will be 10KW. Acceleration can be dealt with through water cooling.
What if your batteries are full and you *need to stop*?

No, you'll want the braking system to be able to generate 1000 HP or so, and you'll want it to be operable even if driveshafts break, electrics fail, and you lose power from the motor(s).

And wait a minute, you're going to water cool four hub motors? Two flexible coolant lines to each wheel, a water pump, an unaerodynamic radiator, umpteen gallons of coolant at 8lbs/gal...

There are very sound engineering reasons why most of the electrics on the road are tiny, low-performance machines. Start small.


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2009, 03:40 AM   #22 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
The Atomic Ass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Mason, OH
Posts: 498

2-Wheeled Mule - '06 Burgman 400
90 day: 84.89 mpg (US)

Max - '01 S-10 LS
90 day: 24.7 mpg (US)

Twin Powa - '05 Ninja 250
90 day: 79.09 mpg (US)

Ransom - '01 Bravada
90 day: 16.39 mpg (US)
Thanks: 9
Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Send a message via Skype™ to The Atomic Ass
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertSmalls View Post
What if your batteries are full and you *need to stop*?

No, you'll want the braking system to be able to generate 1000 HP or so, and you'll want it to be operable even if driveshafts break, electrics fail, and you lose power from the motor(s).

And wait a minute, you're going to water cool four hub motors? Two flexible coolant lines to each wheel, a water pump, an unaerodynamic radiator, umpteen gallons of coolant at 8lbs/gal...

There are very sound engineering reasons why most of the electrics on the road are tiny, low-performance machines. Start small.
The motors generate electricity, so even if the batteries fail, you still have electricity. I anticipate a failsafe which electrically jams all 4 motors. It wouldn't be a desirable stop, but it would stop pretty quick.

You can move just as much heat by moving half the coolant at twice the speed, and the radiator does not need to be either huge or constantly exposed.
__________________

ASE certified day-dream engineer

I'm making beautiful music's now, hear it and like me on Facebook!
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2009, 03:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
ooo ooo ooo ah ah ah
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 7,357

Blue - '93 Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 F150 XLT
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 636
Thanked 848 Times in 591 Posts
Where are you getting your information?
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2009, 07:18 PM   #24 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ryland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Western Wisconsin
Posts: 2,878

honda cb125 - '74 CB 125 S1
90 day: 79.71 mpg (US)

green wedge - '81 Commuti-Car

Blue VX - '93 Civic VX
Thanks: 390
Thanked 222 Times in 191 Posts
I don't normally agree with frank, he has a good point, your facts seem to be based on alot of wishful thinking, for one coolant does not cool twice as fast if you move twice as much past it, this is why low speed pumps are popular for solar hot water systems, because the systems work best if you get as much heat out of the fluid as possible before putting it back to get heated, high flow pumps lead to over heating, also where are these motors that you are talking about using? or are you going to hand build them?
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2009, 01:16 AM   #25 (permalink)
ooo ooo ooo ah ah ah
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 7,357

Blue - '93 Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 F150 XLT
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 636
Thanked 848 Times in 591 Posts
Hey! Waddya mean ya don't normally agree with me?!?

Don't you know I'm right 99% of the time?
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2009, 01:24 AM   #26 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
The Atomic Ass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Mason, OH
Posts: 498

2-Wheeled Mule - '06 Burgman 400
90 day: 84.89 mpg (US)

Max - '01 S-10 LS
90 day: 24.7 mpg (US)

Twin Powa - '05 Ninja 250
90 day: 79.09 mpg (US)

Ransom - '01 Bravada
90 day: 16.39 mpg (US)
Thanks: 9
Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Send a message via Skype™ to The Atomic Ass
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryland View Post
also where are these motors that you are talking about using? or are you going to hand build them?
One doesn't NEED to buy off the shelf components... It's just cheaper and easier.

Although it has been watered down in recent years, custom did mean at one time that something was made as a one-off for a single project.
__________________

ASE certified day-dream engineer

I'm making beautiful music's now, hear it and like me on Facebook!

Last edited by The Atomic Ass; 08-04-2009 at 01:35 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2009, 10:44 PM   #27 (permalink)
ooo ooo ooo ah ah ah
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 7,357

Blue - '93 Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 F150 XLT
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 636
Thanked 848 Times in 591 Posts
Skirt these in and he's golden!

__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 02:42 AM   #28 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
The Atomic Ass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Mason, OH
Posts: 498

2-Wheeled Mule - '06 Burgman 400
90 day: 84.89 mpg (US)

Max - '01 S-10 LS
90 day: 24.7 mpg (US)

Twin Powa - '05 Ninja 250
90 day: 79.09 mpg (US)

Ransom - '01 Bravada
90 day: 16.39 mpg (US)
Thanks: 9
Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Send a message via Skype™ to The Atomic Ass
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee View Post
Skirt these in and he's golden!

See, now that's what I'm talking about. Can I get a tire for a 4" wheel, that preferably will handle 200 mph?
__________________

ASE certified day-dream engineer

I'm making beautiful music's now, hear it and like me on Facebook!
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 10:31 AM   #29 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: 18603, USA
Posts: 699

The Crimson Crawler - '04 Elantra GLS
90 day: 36.71 mpg (US)
Thanks: 184
Thanked 47 Times in 34 Posts
Sound like you're after some sort of aircraft wheel!


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Civic VX wheels or aftermarket? travr6 EcoModding Central 8 03-07-2010 06:37 PM
New wheels and tires! Christ Off-Topic Tech 0 04-13-2009 10:30 PM
New Wheels & Tires trikkonceptz Success Stories 9 11-03-2008 02:05 PM
The finest Chinese cr*p that money can buy. (wheels & tires) lyd EcoModding Central 13 09-30-2008 05:41 PM
Wheels - Large or Small Diameter? Width? CorollaMaster EcoModding Central 30 05-14-2008 09:33 AM




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com