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Old 01-23-2018, 11:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This is what Montana has behind their trucks this time of year. The towplow! Crumple zones be damned, even the best software can't avoid wanting to crash into this!

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Old 01-23-2018, 11:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
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We have the cheaper version. Not as colorful, not as many lights and tvs and such.
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How did an attentive driver get into the emergency lane?
From a picture I saw elsewhere, it looked as though the fire truck was in both the emergency lane and the leftmost travel lane. And who says there was an attentive driver?
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We have these in Sweden. Not an airbag per se, but a giant crumple zone:
We have similar here (though only about 1/3 as long, and just the impact bumper, not the big video screen) but they're on special highway construction/maintenance trucks. Usually there'll be one parked at the beginning of a work zone.
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I saw something similar in NY state. Tow-behinds to clear two lanes at the same time. Didn't have anything for salt (bleagh) besides the bed and a spreader.

I'd say this is what happens when you let your marketing guys market autopilot...people will treat it as such.
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I'd say this is what happens when you let your marketing guys market autopilot...people will treat it as such.
I'd say this is what happens with any product; people find ways to misuse and hurt themselves. The fact that this is news confirms the problem is rare.
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I'd say this is what happens with any product; people find ways to misuse and hurt themselves. The fact that this is news confirms the problem is rare.
True enough. Fault is hard to find. Tesla's animated marketing joins the average person's lack of time to fully understand what its limits are. But I'd say it's easier to modify Tesla's marketing than to enhance the critical thinking of John or Jane Q. Public, who is likely already grabbing onto this tech as a way to more efficiently use the time they don't have to better understand Tesla autopilot limits.
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Maybe the guy had the cruise control on, though it was the automatic drive mode.
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Tesla's animated marketing joins the average person's lack of time to fully understand what its limits are. But I'd say it's easier to modify Tesla's marketing than to enhance the critical thinking of John or Jane Q. Public, who is likely already grabbing onto this tech as a way to more efficiently use the time they don't have to better understand Tesla autopilot limits.
I highly doubt the driver was unaware of Tesla's stance on the technology, or who is legally responsible for the safe operation of the vehicle.

If the automated functions were active, which we only have the driver's word so far, I'm certain the driver didn't immediately start out heavily relying on the technology to drive for them. They gradually got comfortable with the reliability and felt comfortable with their level of inattention. The marketing didn't develop this level of trust; it was through personal interaction with the system that confidence was developed.

What part of Tesla's marketing suggests you can take a nap, or pay no attention to the road? I haven't seen this video yet.

I've got no vested interest in Tesla, but the excuses I hear for bad behavior and personal responsibility is alarming. If we start buying into the idea that everyone but the individual is responsible for their actions, society doesn't stand a chance. Risk is always part of progress. Like it or not, we're all part of the human experiment.
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Let's be honest. Autopilot is always going to put people to sleep.

Like one comment from a Teslaphile on another forum. "I fell a sleep and the car pulled over, saving my life."

No autopilot put you to sleep endangering everyone's life.

Anyone ever fallen asleep on a motorbike? Didn't think so.

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