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Old 01-25-2018, 09:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Let's be honest. Autopilot is always going to put people to sleep.

Like one comment from a Teslaphile on another forum. "I fell a sleep and the car pulled over, saving my life."

No autopilot put you to sleep endangering everyone's life.

Anyone ever fallen asleep on a motorbike? Didn't think so.
Autopilot doesn't put real pilots to sleep, and flying is way more boring than driving.

Sure, disengaging the mind contributes to sleepiness, but autopilot isn't injecting sleeping gas into the cabin. I managed to make it through my dreadfully boring work day. There are plenty of people who utilize Tesla's autopilot and don't fall asleep, and it has to do with knowing your limits.

The ultimate goal is to create a safe enough autonomous system that someone could fall asleep and expect to arrive at the destination safely. I don't believe we'll see that until cars begin communicating their intentions to the surrounding vehicles, and sending alerts to possible hazards.

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Old 01-25-2018, 09:55 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Let's be honest. Autopilot is always going to put people to sleep.

Like one comment from a Teslaphile on another forum. "I fell a sleep and the car pulled over, saving my life."

No autopilot put you to sleep endangering everyone's life.

Anyone ever fallen asleep on a motorbike? Didn't think so.
I did drift onto the shoulder once my KLR, the drop off was big enough to get my attention and had to slow down a lot before getting back on the road. Might not have been asleep but pretty close. Only happened once though.

Do 60 miles each way enough times crap happens. Without a radio or drink it's easier than you'd think.

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When one of their cars, on autopilot, runs thru a metal power pole, making two separate 2-wheel halves.
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My '85 Civic had no Autopilot.
After another heavy workday I suddenly found myself on the emergency lane at 75 mph, just inches away from the guard rail...

Kept a roll of glucose tablets in the car after that until I changed jobs and had a much shorter commute.
But I definitely would like to have AutoPilot. Better for my teeth.
(a lane departure warning by itself would be fine too)
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Autopilot doesn't put real pilots to sleep, and flying is way more boring than driving.
The Tragic Crash of Flight AF447 Shows the Unlikely but Catastrophic Consequences of Automation

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AF447 was three and a half hours into a night flight over the Atlantic. Transient icing of the speed sensors on the Airbus A330 caused inconsistent airspeed readings, which in turn led the flight computer to disconnect the autopilot and withdraw flight envelope protection, as it was programmed to do when faced with unreliable data. The startled pilots now had to fly the plane manually.
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Sure, but that's like me saying plastic bags cause suffocation. I can produce examples of tragedy, but that isn't a harbinger of a looming epidemic. Despite the fact that automated systems make pilots worse at flying, there is still a net benefit to using them.

We don't base whether to use something on the worst possible outcome imaginable, we base it on the likely benefits vs the calculated problems (or at least we should, I still don't know why TSA is around).
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I don't see "driver aids" in things like autopilot. I see "hey, lets take people already dangerously disengaged from driving and help them disengage even more."
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I don't see "driver aids" in things like autopilot. I see "hey, lets take people already dangerously disengaged from driving and help them disengage even more."
If they are already disengaged, then automated aids can only help. Sure, there will be those that disengage further and occasionally cause accidents, but there will be an overall net benefit from all the times it prevents an accident.

My worthless anecdote is that my Subaru was totalled at a red light when it was rear-ended by a kid in a truck that didn't even attempt to slow down. I had been stopped for at least 5 seconds when he impacted me, so it's not like I slammed on the brakes. I was also bumped a year ago in stop and go driving from someone not paying attention. Then my wife was backed into by someone not looking behind. Oh, and I was backed into by a neighbor not looking behind their stupid jacked up truck.

All of these could be prevented with relatively cheap automation on new cars.

Laws against people using their phones while driving or engaging in other distraction doesn't prevent people from being distracted. There is simply no other reasonable way to further reduce accidents by addressing human behavior, so the logical next step is to approach the issue from the automation side.
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Someone had an accident, nobody was hurt, we're not certain about the cause yet...
While hundreds lose their life in traffic on any average day.

As a generally attentive driver I still get surprises from time to time. For me, any system that would help to prevent an accident is a bonus, even though I would not trust my life on it driving the car for me.
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