Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Fossil Fuel Free
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-24-2016, 05:44 PM   #31 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 12,548
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1,622 Times in 1,447 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingie View Post
Just found out a "problem"


The car must be model year 1987 or be older... :/
At least you can still get a wood gas setup into a car there. Here in Brazil only a handful of older vehicles that were converted a long time ago are still granted the right to use a wood gas generator. Anyway, would there be any loophole such as mounting the wood gas generator to a trailer allow you to use it into any newer vehicle there in Finland?

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 12-24-2016, 06:58 PM   #32 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 27,561
Thanks: 7,736
Thanked 8,554 Times in 7,041 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingie
Just found out a "problem"...The car must be model year 1987 or be older... :/
Challenge accepted?
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
Fingie (12-25-2016), Xist (01-01-2017)
Old 12-25-2016, 07:17 AM   #33 (permalink)
Volvo-driving MachYeen
 
Fingie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Finland
Posts: 788

Neo Volvo - '98 Volvo S70 10V
90 day: 24.98 mpg (US)
Thanks: 298
Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts
It's not the generator itself, that makes the system "illegal"

Cars 87- and newer here have to comply with emissions, (Which isn't also a problem itself, syngas burns cleanly)

The problem is that here in eyes of the legislation (not sure if it's EU or our own law)
Wood gas isn't an accepted/certified fuel for roadway use.

But I se a crapton of interesting cars I could run on wood gas.


And the wood gas is produced on-demand, so ecomodding is still something I would do a lot

reducing consumption is still a important thing, so you can drive further on a X amount of wood, even if it's about 75-80% cheaper fuel than gasoline
__________________
If you don't make any mistakes in your life,
life itself will be a f*ckup.



With Volvo to Valhalla and back!
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2016, 09:41 AM   #34 (permalink)
Corporate imperialist
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 11,175

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 269
Thanked 3,522 Times in 2,796 Posts
Could you use wood gas for diesel intake fumigation?
Only because when the wood gad runs out you can keep going.
But as far as I am aware no one has tried it in this application.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2016, 10:35 AM   #35 (permalink)
Volvo-driving MachYeen
 
Fingie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Finland
Posts: 788

Neo Volvo - '98 Volvo S70 10V
90 day: 24.98 mpg (US)
Thanks: 298
Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts
this application exists, but you need the diesel to ignite the mix. 20% must be diesel.

Diesel engines also have a pinchy tax here
__________________
If you don't make any mistakes in your life,
life itself will be a f*ckup.



With Volvo to Valhalla and back!
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2016, 10:38 AM   #36 (permalink)
Volvo-driving MachYeen
 
Fingie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Finland
Posts: 788

Neo Volvo - '98 Volvo S70 10V
90 day: 24.98 mpg (US)
Thanks: 298
Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts
Pure wood w/option to run on gasoline would be better, I think.
__________________
If you don't make any mistakes in your life,
life itself will be a f*ckup.



With Volvo to Valhalla and back!
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2016, 04:01 PM   #37 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 27,561
Thanks: 7,736
Thanked 8,554 Times in 7,041 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingie
reducing consumption is still a important thing, so you can drive further on a X amount of wood, even if it's about 75-80% cheaper fuel than gasoline
Out-of-pocket isn't the only cost. There's also fuel management. What do you think about the convenience of split wood, kindling, pellets, or sawdust?
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
Fingie (12-26-2016)
Old 12-26-2016, 01:30 PM   #38 (permalink)
Volvo-driving MachYeen
 
Fingie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Finland
Posts: 788

Neo Volvo - '98 Volvo S70 10V
90 day: 24.98 mpg (US)
Thanks: 298
Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
Out-of-pocket isn't the only cost. There's also fuel management. What do you think about the convenience of split wood, kindling, pellets, or sawdust?
Split wood is something I can buy from family and friends, (a big plus) but it takes space and has less energy per cubic meter .
It also needs further chopping into smaller pieces, about the size of a half banana (bad example, I know

Kindling is something used in larger fuel applications (heat power plants, etc)
this is also a cheap alternative. don't know the price, though.

Pellets are a common energy source here, but it's a bit more expensive. But it has a great energy content and takes less room.

Sawdust is also an option, but it's a bit too light. The fire can spread easier through the combustion zone, and into the fuel, burning where it shouldn't.
__________________
If you don't make any mistakes in your life,
life itself will be a f*ckup.



With Volvo to Valhalla and back!
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2016, 02:23 PM   #39 (permalink)
Corporate imperialist
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 11,175

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 269
Thanked 3,522 Times in 2,796 Posts
Did you see the top gear where Clarkson drove a wood gasification powered car with spent coffee grinds?
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2016, 05:21 PM   #40 (permalink)
Volvo-driving MachYeen
 
Fingie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Finland
Posts: 788

Neo Volvo - '98 Volvo S70 10V
90 day: 24.98 mpg (US)
Thanks: 298
Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts
i don't recall- sounds cool, though.

__________________
If you don't make any mistakes in your life,
life itself will be a f*ckup.



With Volvo to Valhalla and back!
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com