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Old 02-15-2015, 07:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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For comparison with our modified Camaro, A2 also tested Dave Matyjasiks closer-to-stock version. Without the grille plug and air dam and with no spoiler but with a lowered ride height and omitted rearview mirrors, the Cd was 0.497. Adding the grille plug and air dam dropped it to 0.337, then a rear spoiler that mimics the one from the HOT ROD Spl. dropped it to 0.292. Meanwhile, tricks on the HRM Spl. got the Cd as low as 0.201. Thats more than a 50 percent improvement from stock, which is enormous.

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Top 5 Easy Aero Mods That Almost Always Work
We pressed Eaker to give us clues about simple aero tricks for typical musclecars-stuff that will work nearly every time even without tunnel testing. The delta between Cd numbers is often referred to as "counts," or thousandths of a point, so the difference between a Cd of 0.250 and 0.200 is 50 counts. Eaker gave us some rough estimates on how many counts of Cd you might improve when these mods are applied to a typical older musclecar. Try these next time you're at the track.

Lower the ride height: "Dropping the car-front or rear-will always reduce drag." On our Camaro, raising the tail 1.5 inches changed the Cd from 0.201 to 0.227.Improvement: At least 20 counts per inch

Block the grille: Eaker's tip is "Always get air around the car rather than through it." Stopping air from entering the grille has shown dragstrip e.t. reductions of a tenth or two even on 120-mph cars. This will also reduce front-end lift, and when the front end raises due to lift, drag increases even more. (Bonus tip: Stiff front springs can also help prevent front-end lift). Grille blockage is more effective on older cars than on newer ones with sealed radiator areas, and obviously, it can only be used for short-duration events due to reduced engine cooling.
Improvement: 15 to 30 counts of reduction in Cd and 50 to 100 counts in reduction of Cl

Add a front air dam: "You can usually get 90 percent there just by adding a dam straight down from the front bumper, just like the one on your Camaro." Even Bonneville guys ask us why we have that big barn door on the front of the car, but keeping air out from under the car both reduces drag and neutralizes lift for solid aero gains.
Improvement: 20 counts less drag, 50 less lift. The taller the car sits, the more important the air dam is.

Seal the back of the hood to the cowl: This is another area that's less critical on newer cars that are already well sealed. Cowl-induction hoods have a high-pressure area at the base of the hood. Air does not travel out the back of the hood; it is forced down into the engine compartment. That air must escape through the car, causing flow disruptions and drag.
Improvement: 10-20 counts less drag, 50 to 75 in lift

Remove the outside rearview mirrors: Factory mirrors hanging off the doors are almost always obstacles to airflow. The '94-up Chevy Impalas and Caprices are notable exceptions; on those cars, the Cd actually gets worse when you remove the mirrors.
Improvement: 10 to 20 counts of drag



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Old 02-15-2015, 08:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't know, but some of what they are doing cannot be done on street cars, like radical lowering, a road scraping airdam ... The radical lowering also improves the fineness ratio. I guess the answers are in some of those things...
I'm thinking front air bags (adjustable ride height) and an air dam would work well together.
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Now this seems like a "real" wind tunnel picture, as opposed to the single smoke stream going over the top.
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That's a different tunnel. Also, the smoke stream is adjustable.
The AeroDyn windtunnel is comprised of two tunnels, with the main ( high dollar ) one being quite advanced.
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I was surprised at how well the Camaro lines up with the AST. Thanks to seifrob and orangustang for the online AST tool- I've used it a lot.
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I was surprised at how well the Camaro lines up with the AST. Thanks to seifrob and orangustang for the online AST tool- I've used it a lot.
Here is the Firebird of the same vintage

*With the Camaro's actual nose on the ground,the frontal area isn't aggravated that much.
*The minimized airdam gap lowers drag (Feisal Ahmed's Masters Thesis)
*With the sealed nose,we lose the entire cooling system drag.
*Cooling fan delete (1-hp @ 70-mph/ 8-hp @ 140-mph/ 64-hp @ 280-mph)
*With the nose down,the max camber point of the roof is moved aft,and the separation line with it.
*The nose drop also alters the apparent contour of the windshield header.
*The dropped nose kills the second stagnation point at the cowl.
*The Pro-Comp scoop alters the windshield area pressure spike due the favorable change in sectional density.
*The Pro-Comp scoop saves 150-hp due to reduced drag,compared to the exposed blower,scoop,and drive.
*Wiper delete.
*Mirror delete.
*The rake also affects the apparent backlight to boot geometry.
*The spoiler extension improves the fineness ratio.
*The 'flat' spoiler also kills any upwards deflected 'jet' of the original up-swept spoiler.
*The drag chute 'stuffs' some of the near wake.
*This car was tested with a full aluminum belly pan.
*The big GOODYEARs close some of the wheel/body gap,cleaning up the side flow a bit.
*MOONs are good for delta Cd 0.024.(GM's measurement at Lockheed Marietta)
*All these big and little things add up.
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BIG numbers are typically comprised on many, many LITTLE numbers.
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So it looks like this era of Camaro/Firebird are a good candidate for MPG. Reduce weight, transplant a smaller engine, air dam, lower/air bags, rear spoiler.
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Plus it can be had with a T-top. And a screaming chicken on the hood.
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Plus it can be had with a T-top. And a screaming chicken on the hood.
I think the chicken is easily worth 5-10 more MPG making the Firebird the better candidate over the Camaro lol

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