Any Experience With HHO as a Combustion Enhancer?

[UFO]

Hmmm, "combustion enhancer" sounds like SS, DD, and different name too, to protect the innocent.....




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[jedi_sol]

Originally Posted by erichans

Thanks! Would like to know if you've done any trials and results obtained. It would help a great deal in deciding if it was feasable, and a possible route I might follow.

Erich.

Check my fuel log, i've tested it for a year with sporadic mpg results and very-little to no-increase in mpgs. Based on that, I didn't want to spend the extra expense on ECU tuning. Go ahead and build/buy your own kit to test for yourself, you might have better luck!

1993 Honda / Acura Del Sol / Integra Si / GSR Gas Mileage (Aero Sol) - EcoModder.com

[erichans]

So am I, Frank! So am I!

Hence before I do anything I'm trying to get to where everyone's at. Thanks to you I stand a lot more educated than I was a couple of days ago. Going through some those posts so far has been great----especially 24 pages of comment on the MYTH BUSTERS trial----or was it fiasco!

I was right about one thing! Whether a yea- or naysayer I did observe a high degree of civility in almost all the posts on Ecomodder. Much appreciated, and to me, a measure of the quality of people on Ecomodder. I stand neutral on the issue because I don't know enough yet. I would try never to make unsubstantiated remarks---either for or against.

One thing I do promise is that if I were to do any of my own experiments they would never be done in a slipshod manner on a vehicle in poor condition. Report back, plus or minus would be authentic. So would every detail of the equipment I used and manner of assessing results. I would value any rational advice and comments, specially from people like yourself. Really, we're all on the same side!

But in the interim I continue my education on Ecomodder on the subject!

Since I'm on nobody's side, we stand to gain, whichever way any tests go!

Regards, Erich.

[gone-ot]

..it's really just a HALF-ASS problem:

1) FUEL - adding hydrogen to the ICE engine does work; but, obviously involves energy from a second source, the hydrogen.

2) EFFICIENCY - attempting to "create" the hydrogen gas from water, on-the-fly, while driving "consumes" far more energy (ie: second energy source) than the slight increase in ICE efficiency gained while using the gasoline+hydrogen combination.

3) So, HALF of the problem is valid, ie: #1. But, the other HALF (#2) of "riding" this DONKEY (ie: "biblical" Ass) is that you can't make hydrogen gas efficiently enough to overcome it's energy cost of creation while driving.

[Frank Lee]

I question if hydrogen is ever added in quantities that could be considered more "fuel"?

AFAIK adding hydrogen for increasing fe is done to help stabilize ultra-lean combustion mixtures for homogenous charge compression ignition schemes.

[Joenavy85]

"energy can neither be created nor destroyed only altered in form" you have to expend energy to get the energy, then you take into account losses that you'll have (thermal, friction, etc (obviously generalized to any kind of transformation) like any other transformation) and it becomes useless

[erichans]

@ Old Tele Man
Thanks! That being as it may, there's the opinion that there are other, fringe, if you will, benefits. Eg., that there is a drastic reduction in CO2 emissions (NOx, too) and a cleaning effect of the carbon in the engine. Just wondered if that alone is sufficient justification for installing a system---leave out the controversial MPG gains!

I recently gutted my cat and replacement for my car type was going to cost a fortune (one of those Korean jobs). Maybe this is the opportunity to do a 'before & after' emission check to verify this. I'm just going by the number of people who have reported very low emissions post an HHO installation.

[erichans]

@ Frank, Thanks!

>>AFAIK adding hydrogen for increasing fe is done to help stabilize ultra-lean combustion >>mixtures for homogenous charge compression ignition schemes.

My reading tells me this, but not strictly restricted to diesel engines. It allows a certain degree of lean burn for petrol engines as well.

However, as I just replied to Old Tele Man himself, leaving aside FE gains, I wondered if the 'fringe' benefits alone were sufficient justification for having an HHO system.

[erichans]

@ JoeNavy--Thanks!
Please have a look at the two posts, to Old Tele Mech and Frank! Slightly different tack!

[Frank Lee]

I wasn't talking about diesels... HCCI, search that too.