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Old 11-22-2019, 12:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Absolutely the biggest takeaway from this despite the styling. It can carry more, tow more, and go over more than any other light truck in production now or likely to be available at the time of it's intended production - and at a price that will likely be competitive if not handily beat out competitors like Ford or Rivian.

Even a base F-150 is just shy of $30k. They didn't go into all of the features, but a tilting bed and built in retracting tonneau cover are absolutely not part of the Ford feature set.
It can't carry or tow or go over more than any other light truck, it's pretty average on those specs. A F150 may have an MSRP of 30k or more but it's pretty common to get them 15-20% off MSRP. Also towing 10,000 pounds is one thing, towing 10,000 pounds on the average 300-500 mile trip is another. Those ranges will be 1/3 while towing the average camper and recharge times will be in the hours not minutes a gasser recharges. So drive an hour, charge an hour, is going to get really old really fast.

I don't think in the end they will be any less expensive (4wd to 4wd) than the Rivian with it's incentives, which will beat it to market by I bet 2 full years. The Rivian looks much better too.

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Absolutely the biggest takeaway from this despite the styling. It can carry more, tow more, and go over more than any other light truck in production now or likely to be available at the time of it's intended production - and at a price that will likely be competitive if not handily beat out competitors like Ford or Rivian.

Even a base F-150 is just shy of $30k. They didn't go into all of the features, but a tilting bed and built in retracting tonneau cover are absolutely not part of the Ford feature set.
The Tesla is advertised as carrying 3500 lbs and towing 14,000 lbs. (I assume in high spec trims not the base one motor version.)

A current F-150 is rated to carry 3270 lbs and tow 13,200 lbs maximum. I suspect Ford can find a way to match the Tesla in the next 2-3 years.

I’m also skeptical that a unibody truck will hold up carrying those kinds of loads.
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The Tesla is advertised as carrying 3500 lbs and towing 14,000 lbs. (I assume in high spec trims not the base one motor version.)

A current F-150 is rated to carry 3270 lbs and tow 13,200 lbs maximum. I suspect Ford can find a way to match the Tesla in the next 2-3 years.

I’m also skeptical that a unibody truck will hold up carrying those kinds of loads.
With a 3500 pound payload, 200 pound driver and at least a 6000 pound truck it needs a 10,000 pound GVWR. So now it's not compared to f150s and 1500 Rams but 2500 Rams and F250s. So a new 2500 Ram has over a 4000 pound payload and over 19,000 pounds of towing.
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We already know it's compromised somewhat as a towing/working truck due to the 6.5' bed length and 6 passenger seating.

It's meant to appeal to those that want to commute in a truck, and to contractors that don't need an 8' bed.

Who really shops the biggest tow and payload ratings anyhow? Sure, there's people that need it, but I don't think many people really make their purchasing decision based on it.

The cost of ownership should be significantly less than even a base model F150 considering trucks like to nickel/dime, and thousand dollar owners all the time with fuel pumps, injectors, turbos... This could represent a mostly maintenance free and reliable truck, with enormous fuel savings.

I know I'd give up my 8' bed for this truck just to save the headache of working on it. Of course, I'd never spend $40k on any vehicle unless it's a helicopter.
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Another thing I'm just now noticing is the sloped sides of the tailgate when it's down and zero gap between the bed and tailgate. Makes clearing the bed way easier. I like the built in ramp too.
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I just noticed no back view with the tonneau up. Where exactly does that stow anyway?
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I just noticed no back view with the tonneau up. Where exactly does that stow anyway?
Rolls up between the "cab" and "Bed" somewhere.
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Tesla's stock will rebound.

My hunch is the most aggressive and despised drivers will be Cybertruck drivers. The design itself demands that the owners not care what others think of them, or at least demands that they think of the drivers as "bold". That translates to aggressive.

I'd drive the truck despite the looks, but then I've never really been big on trying to fit in, or adhere to people's preconceived notions of who I am.

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